Discussion About Karma Transfers

We need to have a discussion on why the ablity to transfer karma was removed and possible alternatives or simply a way to solve the issues.

The problem we're having is that there are too many karma shops where the premise is "you vote and subscribe to my story so I can then give some to you and keep the rest for myself". It came to the point where one of them almost got featured which brought this issue to my attention. These shops provide no content value to AFF and are created for the sole purpose of getting points where points are meant to reward either good authors or very active users that participate in the community.Β The removal of karma transfers destroys a major incentive of starting a karma shop.

Unfortunately, the collateral damage is that there are legitimate contests and events held here that also use karma points as a reward system. I think those do provide content value for everyone here even though they are not technically stories.

By this point, you see the dillemma I have before me. I want to discourage one while not harming the other. I don't mind bringing karma transfers back so you guys can have your contests but I want this done without the revival of karma shops.

I have been suggested other options.

One option is that the points can be used to buy virtual items instead and those can be given out as prizes. But it is also unknown whether or not that will affect karma shops.

Another option is that I bring karma transfers back on the condition that you guys promise to yell at anyone trying to start a karma shop and anyone who participates. Maybe even a downvote button (but that can also be dangerous for various reasons - we try to be nice here).

Give me some ideas in the comments. Preferably not anything that takes a long time to make or put in place.

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fluffy-mallow #1
asianfanfics' slowly changing and i dont like it
sincerly_me #2
I agree with the suspension idea and the report button combined, or people will have to say why they downvoted a story so no hard feelings...
I hope I was helpful :)
gwendal738
#3
A report button is the way to go, I think. That would be easier for you guys without having to wade through all the posts on here, and it would be a more organized system.

But now downvote button, please. That could be used for legitimate stories, too. It could be discouraging for a real writer if her story gets so many downvotes just because people don't like the pairing or something.
shiyiiing
#4
Second option, pls. just without the downvote button~
we'll report if we come across to any karma shop so just revive the transfer karma system; we have to think of the graphics/writing contests~
vanzfluffy
#5
Maybe you put a warning sign on AFF that if anyone opens a karma shop they'll be _______ <--- (up to you). And you revive the transfer karma system? We'll yell at them for you, and report xD
Pinkcandies
#6
I think that these karma shops and all these giveaway karma shops should be put in a category by itself. But these shops can't get featured nor upvoted.
daggerisms
#7
I do like the heavy fine suggestion; that won't stop karma shops completely but it will certainly discourage people from creating or participating in them. What about suspension from the site? Like, the IP address of the person running the shop gets suspended from AFF for an X amount of time? Or maybe a wall of shame? Is that too mean? I know something simple like that, people try to avoid...
ELAiNEE
#8
AWWWWWWWWW~ TT____TT
firemoth_007
#9
I think the "report" button is sensible. In a way, it can help exterminate the karma shops. Also it can be used to easily forward other nuisances such as those "stories" that are actually advertisements of some products (bags, shoes, apparel etc.), Since not everyone knows who to contact when they see such. That way, the reported stories can be piled up for easy reviewing by admins/mods. The only down side is that it will mean more work for you guys.
SHINeeIceCreamNinjaa #10
Yeah I think you should have a fine for making a karma shop... Like, take away all the points that user got from the shop and more or something. Or go with the report thingy. Or both~? XD I don't think the down vote button is a good idea though, lots of authors already receive hate so yeah. :)
GPB_babyJaney
#11
I guess karma shops, contests, or anything that has to do something with karma should be put in a section only for that category. The karma category are those that could not be upvoted but can only be subscribed to.
samyeol #12
i think you might want to give an option that says "contest thingy" and omly those would be allowed to do karma transfers ^^
aerissiii
#13
I think I'll go with the reporting the karma shops.
princessx0 #14
The 2nd choice is good. We'll report Karma shop.
I think contest should be take out of the featured list too. The current featured "story" also only get so many votes because of the contest.
It should be "real story" to be featured I think.