Entitled Readers and Lots of Cake

Before I begin, let me make it clear that this is not directed at anyone in particular. This is a topic that pops up all the time, and every time it has appeared on AFF, I’ve wanted to write a blog about it. That’s all this is - no instigating event, no beef with any of my readers, nada. Just me wanting to share my perspective on various issues/misunderstandings I’ve encountered, so here it is.

Something that’s astounded me since I made my first foray into the fanfiction realm is just how much ownership many readers feel they have over the fics they read. “Baseless claims of ownership” is one (nicer) way to put it; “entitled” is another word that’s cropped up in my conversations with other authors.

Anyway, here are some questions I've seen many an argument start over.

 

Question the First: What’s wrong with “update soon” comments?

On my old fanfiction account (on a different site), I had readers spam me with “update soon” comments every day, even if I had just updated earlier that day. At first, I thought it was nice to see them - I had just started posting my writing online, and this way I at least knew somebody was reading.

The problem was soon, I started feeling harassed. Writing is something I’m happy to do of my own free will - I enjoy it, and I like sharing it. But “update soon” comments make the writing experience unnecessarily stressful.

Here’s a theoretical situation that, to me, illustrates the issue: say you like to bake cakes. You don’t get paid to bake, and you have to pay for the ingredients on your own. It takes valuable time out of your day to bake - maybe you’re a student or you work. But because you’re proud of your cakes and you want feedback on how they taste, you start giving out slices of your cake on the street outside your house.

At first, you’re happy. People eat your cake, and they tell you to bake again soon. Maybe somebody even says it tastes good. But the longer you do this, the more you realize that baking cake takes time and effort, and no one is telling you if your cake is good or not. All they do is tell you to bake more cake soon.

Then before you know it, baking becomes a source of stress. If you don’t bake a cake every day and give it out for free, then people hammer on your door and tell you to get baking. They don’t give any feedback on the taste of your cake, of course - just “bake more cake soon.” When you complain that they’re taking your cake for free and not saying anything, they respond that it’s your own fault for giving your cake out for free in the first place, and hey - at least they’re saying something about your cake!

In this kind of situation, you start hating baking. Maybe you even get a restraining order on the “bake again soon” people or move to a different neighborhood where you don’t have to deal with rude, cake-demanding people bothering you all the time. Most likely, you don’t want to bake anymore. If you do, you definitely won’t be sharing it for free with people on the streets.

And this sad story, folks, is how the world ends up with a severe lack of delicious cake and talented bakers. (I hope this metaphor made sense, or else I just wasted far too much time writing about cake).

 

Question the Second: Why can’t readers request more romance or faster relationship development in the stories they support?

This one is sometimes more innocuous. It can be hard for readers to understand why authors get angry when they suggest moving the romance along faster - it’s just a comment, after all. They’re only expressing their opinion on the story. Many people see it as offering constructive criticism. And a lot of the time, the author is fine with it too.

The problem comes when readers have not been reading carefully, have completely misconstrued something in a potentially offensive manner, or have made unreasonable demands.

For one, tooth-rotting, happily ever after romance is not the end goal of every fanfiction. Do we fans write a lot of that? Hell yeah. It’s part of being a fan - we fantasize, and quite a few fantasies are happy. But happy endings aren’t always authors’ intentions, and having readers bug authors about why two characters aren’t getting together when there is literally no supporting evidence in the text to support a romantic relationship is incredibly frustrating. From an author’s perspective, it feels like the reader isn’t really reading any of the stuff you poured your heart and soul into - the reader is just skimming for romantic fluff. Maybe you’re even trying to make a point about how unhealthy a relationship is, but the point gets lost in the horde of romance-hunting readers.

(If we revive the cake comparison, this is like spending hours baking a cake with delectable fillings and layers, only to have someone scrape the frosting off and toss the rest of your cake in the trash. Or maybe they complain that you don’t have enough frosting, even though they literally only ate the frosting and ignored the careful thought that went into crafting the perfect balance of cake sponge, filling, and frosting. Not cool.)

 

Question the Third: If authors can ask for comments, why can’t readers ask for updates?

Oof. This one requires an understanding that the author-reader relationship is inherently unequal. The author has the goods. The reader has no goods or currency to exchange for the goods, but they do have feedback. This is not a situation in which supplier and demander are of equal standing.

Let’s go back to cake. If I have a cake and you have no money, in a normal market, I would walk off to find someone who does have money for my cake, and you would go home sad and cakeless. Like I said, an unequal situation.

The fanfiction market, though, is different. Maybe I give you my cake, knowing you have no money. You eat it. If you walk off without a word, having consumed my cake that I worked so hard on, then hell no I’m not giving you any more of my cake next time. If you eat my cake and tell me you loved the frosting but thought some raspberries on top would have been nice, then maybe I’d be happy to bake more cake. That, however, does not mean you can demand I bring you more cake. It doesn’t work like that - I have the goods, not you, therefore I get to set the terms of our trade agreement.

Now if you’re still reading, you probably think I like cake a little too much and that the cake market is not exactly the same as the writing market, to both of which I’d have to respond “guilty as charged.” The principle of the matter, however, still stands, and I think many readers would do well to think on it.

 

TL;DR: Cake is good. Bakers are good. Be nice and don’t act entitled unless you want to live in a world without good cake, which would be a very sad world indeed.

 

(Also, I might write more on this topic. Not sure yet. Would be glad to hear thoughts on cake and fanfic in the comments below.)






 

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BlingBlingMaknae
#1
The analogy abt cake is exactly like my thoughts though i usually think of it as free lollipops. While reading this im like SCREAM IT LOUDER GIRL LET THOSE INCONSIDERATE READERS HEAR. Im giving out my time, effort and ideas for free and I dont get anything in return? Thats like getting my candy for free and never hearing any 'oh it's tasty' 'oh i like it thanks.' And they ask me to update soon after an update w/o even saying if they enjoyed it or not. Jesus Christ.
Owlrose
#2
Jolly! You baked a very good cake. Everyone here is enjoying this cake. Seriously, what a nice way to point out mistakes of readers. I, personally try to give an opinion on what I have read so far even it is super silly.
This blog should reach every corner of AFF.
SkyeButterfly
#3
THE CAKE ANALOGY IS ON POINT YESJSKKSKS.

This is why I try to comment something on every story I read and encourage people to write comments too. Especially if it’s a story without much readers or by an author who isn’t popular. It’s really hard to get a good following on AFF already because it’s about writing content a lot of people like—and writing by itself is no easy feat as you’ve mentioned. Without encouragement or support (or feedback), new writers will get discouraged and stop writing. As an aspiring writer, that’s...terrible to say the least.

ALSO THE PART WITH READERS SKIMMING FOR ROMANCE WITHOUT CARING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING THEMES AND LESSONS UGH. That’s a pet peeve.

Anyways, thank you for this amazing blog post!!! :-)
hallowxiu
#4
Your cake analogy was so spot on. Thankfully I don't deal with the first problem too much, my readers are great with feedback, but the second one i deal with quite a bit. It can be really hard when people are only demanding relationships from the story and overlooking the plot you worked so hard on. Especially when some stories really don't leave much room for romance. I also think it's great for character relationships to take time to build or else it seems unrealistic in my opinion. The third answer was great as well. Honestly, I wouldn't have been able to explain it any better. I really love hearing feedback, but I don't think I should necessarily feel guilty when asking for it or expecting at least some feedback. Although the "update soon" and nothing else comments really do get under my skin. At least they could comment something else along with it orz
warmpenguin
#5
I'm a reader, so I full real guilty. I comment mainly on stories that I enjoyed reading and sometimes I can't put my thoughts into words or I can't find any problems within the fics. I want authors to become motivated and happy when they publish fics and now I understand that perhaps a "good job!" or "this is interesting" won't cut it. What kind of feedback do you expect from readers? What type of comments do you wish to see more of?
Korekrypta
#6
I have literally used cake as an analogy to explain this to demanding readers too, ha ha ha XD I think you did a much better job of it, though.
pandacathy
#7
I'm currently eating a slice of cake while reading this. And I got to say, after reading your cake analogies and taking an econ class, I love how you wrote this blog.

I'm sorry if you've been harassed or bothered lately by those kind of comments. I really wish (certain) customers see that bakers are taking time out of their busy lives to put out cakes for them to enjoy. It's unfortunate how baking is often a one-sided transaction here. Why can't certain customers be respectful nowadays? I don't write often, but honestly, I do wish that certain readers realize that writers have lives outside of AFF and that things take time to build, whether it be a relationship (in a story AND in real life) or, in general, a draft for a story/chapter. Comments are a driving force for writers. Even if they contain constructive criticism, writers take them into account when they write or edit their next update. It's stressful when comments contain content that dampen your mood towards the writing/editing process :(

I apologize for the cake metaphors earlier. I thought I go along with your theme with my comment. Nana, you are an amazing baker! You go do your thing! :)

Also, have some cake (with candles). You deserve it!

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JadeKKeyLoveYOU
#8
I totally agree with you, that's why i always try too comment every stories i read and follow with my opinion and i thank for the updates and don't ask for fast update. I just want to read beautiful creations. Sometimes i write "can't wait to read more" ...is it still pressuring..?
And the cake's analogy.. Great. Now i want a cake Hahaha
Emilieee
#9
THE MARKET AND CAKE THING IS ON POINT
bluelixir
#10
bAkE mOrE cAkE s00N but if you write more on this please call this the cake series
But really, this is a pretty good blog that puts together why we need to respect bakers and the work that goes into making cake. Or writing. Both art forms really. But I'm glad that you brought up the second point because that really hits close to home, and romance isn't usually the point of the fic. If the entire plot revolves around the characters getting together, it gets boring. There's a driving force behind the characters and their relations that is due to the circumstance, and usually it plays a pretty large role into how interactions are supposed to be perceived. It's pretty accurate to equate the trade of readers and writers to a market, because essentially that's what AFF is. The most popular cakes are the ones that appeal to and catch the eye of the intended consumers, but regardless those consumers aren't owed any cake, even if they come to expect it. If the consumers demand cake of someone they paid for, it's an entirely different story, but the AFF cake market is free.

Now I can't stop thinking about cake this is all your fault
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Uunbiiyan
#11
Just stopping by to say I love the analogy