" Idols Who Do Not Wish To Be Roleplayed " - hot take.

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Hear me out for a second here roleplay admins. Let me just try to explain something here. Roleplayer VS Imposter

When admins say they don't allow idols/people who have said they do not wish to be "roleplayed", most of the time, they mean that the idols have expressed their wish to not be impersonated. If we consider roleplaying as impersonation, then this means that EVERY roleplayer is an imposter. Whether the idols have expressed their wish to not have imposters or not. This means, going by this rule that every roleplayer is an imposter, we are ALL doing something wrong by roleplaying these idols, who undoubtedly do not wish to have imposters. Do you follow? 

I'm sick and tired of having to find a new muse because my faceclaims have been labeled "Does Not Wish To Be Roleplayed", when in fact, they do not want imposters, which is a completely different thing. An imposter is someone who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others, especially for fraudulent gain.

Here are some reasons why roleplaying an idol who does not want imposters is NOT being an imposter: 
1. We are in a CLOSED roleplay community, most of the time. Even if the roleplayer is a freelance roleplayer, there is usually a community of roleplayers who are freelance who understand that the roleplayer is in fact, a roleplayer, not the idol themselves. Facebook roleplayes, mewe, twitter, etc, are CLOSED roleplays, in which all subjects joining know and understand that the roleplay'ed faceclaim is not really the idol. It is a game. A roleplay game
2. Roleplaying is not an attempt to deceive anyone, for fraudulent gain. It is in fact, just a game. Everyone involved knows and understands this. Roleplaying is not deception, at all. In its name itself, role-playing. 
3. In no way is roleplaying an idol who wishes to not have imposters detrimental to them, the idol. This is because we are in fact, in a closed roleplay community, by which everyone knows and understands that we are playing a role. There is a typist/mun to the faceclaim being played. And in many ways, roleplaying as been beneficial, by spreading knowledge of the idols being roleplayed. There are idols that I love now that I would never have known if not for roleplayers who played these idols. 


I fully understand that roleplayers and admins alike just wish to respect their idols and those idols who have been harmed by imposters. Nobody wants to be impersonated. Nobody wants to have someone pretend that they are the real Christian Yu or IU. But an imposter is very much different from a roleplayer. And we all want to be on the righteous side of things, yes of course, but it's getting ridiculous. Please understand what you're standing by before putting it as a restriction and rule. This rule of "not roleplaying someone who doesn't wish to be roleplayed" is not a new found rule of logic. This rule has come and gone many times throughout the years of roleplaying here on AFF. People just don't understand it. 

What I don't understand, is why there are people playing an idol in a horrendous way, in a way that is detrimental to the faceclaim, by starting problems, acting out, misbehaving, conducting inappropriate behavior, but all of this is allowed under the false security that they are an idol who is completely fine with being roleplayed. Reality check, is it worse to have a roleplayer who loves a certain faceclaim (who "wishes to not be roleplayed") or is it worse to have a roleplayer who causes actual dislike towards an idol by their behavior (but is completely okay because they're allowed)? I just want to get things straight. If we want to play social justice, then we have to actually understand what we're playing with here, right? 

Unpopular opinion or not, I just want people to be aware of what rules are being implemented. Sure maybe this rule doesn't even bother you at all. Maybe you don't have to blink twice. But as someone whose main muses fall under this category, it's just frustrating. I suggest sending this thread to your roleplay admins, and spread this question. If roleplaying = imposter, aren't we all imposters? 

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unkwown_stranger_
#1
Honestly, I am fine with you making this thread to speak out on what's your mind but at the same time I can't help but to leave a comment after reading the part where you suggest us to send this thread to your roleplay admins and spread this question part.

Hear me out on this, on why I said that. It is because isn’t it the right of the admins if they don’t want those certain faceclaims to be rped or not? It is their roleplay and we should just respect on that? If you don’t like it then leave or just not join? What’s so hard about that? I know some roleplays are fine with fcs like IU and Christian Yu. Its not like all the roleplays out there are banning them to be rped. Like just respect their decision and grow up. I get that you are frustrated, even sometimes I would be frustrated when I want to rp as someone but isn't allowed to be rped. But honestly what can I do than just accepting their decision? Its their place, their rules? Am I wrong with that? Let us respect those admins and let them be. Who are we to say something when we aren't the ones who are running the place? To why I feel like you could have not added that part on this thread because it is kinda disrespecting them in some ways.

Also another thing that got me irked is the way you responded back to "lesbians". Sure it was wrong of him/her to say his/her opinion in such way towards you. Even I would say that he/she could have said it in a better way to express his/her opinion. However, you could have been a better person and not try to attack him/her back with your response. Like that is one of the problems with threads like these. When one person leaves a comment in a rude way, the author ends up writing back in the same way. Let us be civil and respect one another in this community. Doesn't mean if one attacks you, you should attack them back. Be the better person and grow up. Don't stomp down to their level.


+ If anyone is going to attack me back and mentioning about how I am scared to why I made a new account in order to comment down on this then go ahead. I already had in mind, one of you people will say something like that. But let me tell you why I did. It is so that you people won't bug me while I roleplay. I know how once you see an aff account you don't like, you just bring your hatred with you and ruin my experience within the roleplay. I have seen this too many times already and I don't want to sink into that hot mess.
a-nxnymxus
#2
Chapter 5: also I love how they use the excuse "I'm just humoring myself" to be rude instead of having a civilised conversation about it.
a-nxnymxus
#3
Chapter 5: I thought this was a new thread lol. Just a new chapter.
I wanted to add since theyre going by 'flawed logic' what contradicts almost the entirety of their statement is that theyre PUBLIC FIGURES. which rules the roleplayer vs imposter factor in even more.
lesbians
#4
the fact you've conflated roleplayers being unruly and thus causing people to "dislike" the idol to people disregarding idols' (and even non-idols) wishes to not be used as the face for fake accounts... lol... anyways. responding because hehe.

"this means, going by this rule that every roleplayer in an imposter, we are all doing something wrong by roleplaying these idols[...]" yes? unless any of us have been given a direct response in regards to roleplaying a specific idol, we are all imposters and are doing something wrong. you begin this entire "hot take" by explaining something that is objectively correct, and anyone that genuinely thinks about this issue would agree with. we were not given permission to use these idols' faces as a basis for our accounts, or our characters, and in doing so we fit under the "imposter" label.

you seem to be upset that you have to find a faceclaim that hasn't, either directly or indirectly through their company, expressed that they do not want to be used for imposter accounts. you use the google definition of imposter when explaining this, which is silly, because with that line of logic i can say we are not actually roleplaying because we are not playing a roleplaying game (such as world of warcraft, or a wizards of the coast tabletop roleplaying game like dungeons and dragons) NOR are we acting out scenarios "as a technique in training or psychotherapy." it's flawed logic because you are using it only for your stance while disregarding the other, in which it directly opposes what you've said.

roleplaying is not a "closed" community, otherwise it would not be as prevalent as it is today on sites like twitter or facebook. using the term "closed" implies that only certain individuals are able to get in, when in reality roleplaying is completely open and realistically anyone is able to do so. the term "closed" when discussing roleplays you find on here (aff) does not mean anything beyond those that use this site. ask a freelance rper on facebook what the term closed rp means, they won't be able to tell you (why do i know this? because for several years i was that freelance rper, and i can tell you with confidence none of us knew what a "closed" rp was.)

if roleplaying an idol that does not want "imposters" isn't detrimental, your comment at the end of this entire hot take is debunked. you cannot bring up people roleplaying idols and causing others to dislike them only to say roleplaying idols is not detrimental to them. again, it seems you're conflating things to fit your narrative whilst ignoring that you're directly debunking your own thread...

this entire post is silly, and i'm replying to humor myself as you seem to think you're being profound by telling others to send this to roleplay admins whilst asking "aren't we all imposters?" any normal person wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a roleplayer and an imposter, and thus we have to abide by what idols and what their companies say. just because YOU, entitled-to-faceclaim-who-you-want justarandomrper, think that because you understand what roleplaying is that you should be allowed to faceclaim whoever you want without issue, doesn't mean that that's how it works. none of us should be using these idols' faces without permission, period, to try and argue that is to accept you're wrong to begin with.

anyways. i thought i'd get a little hehe moment out of responding to this, since the rest of the comments are patting you on the back... <3 just use a different faceclaim, man. if you don't like that idols are blacklisted because companies don't nitpick and specify "we don't want imposters OR ~roleplayers~ of our idol" then just don't rp real people. i don't check this account often so chances are if you reply i won't see it, but. <3
softbro #5
I feel like it's because on aff advertised rp's a lot of people don't know the difference or define the difference between ooc and ic. Or even if they do, they don't uphold it. Therefore every action is seen as a reflection on a mun. It makes it so roleplay is the same thing as an impostor because we're expected to write a muse exactly how the admin's want them to be. I really miss the days when people could just be creative and no one took writing personally.

But I've had to correct SO many people on Christian Yu's opinion on roleplayers, most of the time they just heard he didn't like it and never actually looked at what he said.
I'm sorry that roleplays have been so closed minded to you. I hope that this post inspires change.
a-nxnymxus
#6
i looked into this before with iu once and attempted to let someone who applied to be her in but the other admins wouldnt let me because of this rule. i remember doing research on her specifically wondering if she actually requested not to be roleplayed but only found articles about taking legal actions against imposters. completely different thing.
everyone just copy and pastes rules here so theres nothing else to expect.