Well... For Super Junior, there's Henry and Zhou Mi, who are a part of the sub-group Super Junior - M. They technically weren't a part of the original group, but I've always counted them as 15. As for SNSD... I don't like them much, so I wouldn't know. I can only name the ones who are in it currently. I can name everyone in Super Junior, though, but that's because their my bias group.
Well, SNSD members weren't fix until like last minute. A lot were drop and then changed and then added, there was never a fix number of people in that band. So I'm guessing some haven't been added yet and some didn't debut. But they basically had to have a lot of members to be counterpart for SuJu.
But even SuJu was like that. Ryeowook didn't join until few months before debut. And Kyuhyun only join 6 months after they debuted.
But I have to say, Sooyoung didn't really change much.
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