An Important note to all ELFs!

我们买的不只是一张专辑,更是对SJ前路的各种盼望,请从正确途径购买五辑。

为达到宣传效果,此帖务必转,千万个谢谢!

What we buy is not just an album, but hopes of SJ's future, please buy 5JIB from the right way.

For promotional purpose, everyone must spread this note, many thanks!

 

犹记得去年的现在,大家都说着一句话...

【四辑再见,不要变心。】

Still remembering the same time last year, all of us were saying...

【See you in 4jib, no change of heart.】

 

 

 

 

回望过去,很感慨对吧。

Looking back, the sentiments are still high.

 

我们为了四辑,花了多少心血。专辑发行了,团购的团购,音源的音源,投票的投票,还要兼顾各种演唱会和拼盘,为了让男人们看到那片宝蓝海,我们忙得实在喘不过气。大家投票时手指忙个不停,家里放着堆积如山的韩版CD,经常追着男人跑各地。有时候会抱怨自己很累很穷,可是我们自得其乐,因为我们都在为值得的人付出。

We have put in so much effort for 4jib. When the album was released, we bulk purchased, we voted in digital voting, we did physical voting, on top of all these, we still attended all sorts of concerts & contests. In order to let our men see the sea of sapphire blue, we could hardly take a breath in between all these activities. Stacks of albums (purchased directly from Korea) could be found in our homes, loads of ELFs can be seen around them wherever they go. Sometimes, you may complain of exhaustion & tiredness, but we found our own pleasure, we are doing this for the ones who are worth our efforts.

 

以前,利特丶东海等人总是叮咛我们不要爬墙不要变心,永远都在提心吊胆似的。大概是因为吃了太多苦吧,才不知该如何捧住这份来之不易的幸福;大概是因为太想要永远吧,才会日夜担心着它的消失。

In the past, Leeteuk, DongHae used to remind us not to band hop, not to have a change of heart, like they are always worrying about losing us. Perhaps, they have suffered too much, making them unsure of how to handle such blessing that is difficult to come by. Perhaps, it’s the wish to own it forever, that they constantly worry about losing it.

 

相信大家都知道几位成员入伍的日子快到。我一朋友曾开玩笑说,英云在军里三餐不饱,以後等他归队了,要给他买肉食,然後我回应一句,以後还有很多孩子要我们买肉餵他呢。其实暂别不是什麽痛得撕心裂肺的事,只要我们愿意等,总有一天会等齐人。他们会用最响亮最自信的声音跟我们打招呼:Wuli Nen Super Juni Or Ye Yo!

I believe all of us are aware that the hyungs will be enlisting soon. My friend used to joke:” Yong Woon did not eat enough in the army, when he returns, (we) must buy him more meat.” I would reply: “Going forward, there will be more boys waiting to be fed by us”. Actually, short parting should not a heart wrenching experience, as long as we are willing to wait, one day, we will get them all back. They will greet us with their loudest, most confident voices: Wuli Nen Super Juni Or Ye Yo!

 

我们苦中作乐,可是等得起,不是吗?

We are tasting bitter sweet, but we can afford to wait, can’t we?

 

的确,2010年是各种虐心。廉价的MV丶廉价的打歌服,还有廉价的颁奖礼。只能说蓝家真的不讨公司欢心,不是他们捧在手心里的宝贝,我们只是孤儿。不过,尽管穿着旧衣服,尽管人数不全,尽管爸不疼妈不爱,男人们却依然以SJ的名义站在舞台上唱歌跳舞。人数虽然不齐但却在任何情况下,始终团结丶初心如初。不管是曾经低谷也好,还是如今站在最高也好,他们抱着的都是最初的那颗心。光是这样,已经很感恩上天赐予我们幸福。

It is a fact, 2010 is filled with heartache. Low budget mvs, low cost performance costumes, & degrading award ceremonies. I can only say, the house of sapphire blue is never the favourite child in the company, we are not the apple in the eye, we are more like adopted children. Nevertheless, despite wearing old clothes, despite not complete, despite getting no attention from the “parents”, our men still stood tall on stage, performing, in the name of Super Junior. Though not competed in numbers, they stayed committed together, retaining the innocence since beginning. Regardless of the times when they experienced valley lows, or the current days where they are standing mountain high, they still hold close to them, the purest heart they used to possess. This, is a great blessing that heaven has given us.

 

很快,五辑要来了。

Soon, the fifth album (5jib) is coming.

 

或许你说过很多气馁的话,不再饭他们了,要另觅新欢了,要好好的爱自己了。知道吗,其实蓝家在三辑四辑的两年间成长了更多。我们从一盘散沙凝聚成沙丘,我们知道当下眼前的要珍惜,因为我们所得的并不是都是理所当然的,都是靠大家一点点的努力收获而来的。还有什麽比我们在一起时的这些经历更珍贵呢?我们要好好感谢那些鞭策蓝家的人呢,是他们给了我们要更加努力上前的无限动力。

Maybe, you have said those discouraging words, “I am not going to fan/ship them anymore, I am going to look for new love, I am going to love myself more”. You know what? In actual fact, the house of sapphire blue has grown a lot for the period of 2 years, between 3th album (3jib) and 4th album (4jib). We have, from a disunited bunch, congregated to a solid force, like a plate of dry sand, add some water, you can build a sand castle. We know we have to treasure what we have, because we know these did not come naturally for us, these are through sheer hard work of all. What can be more precious than those times we have gone through together? We should thank those who spite us to move on, its you whom had given us the extra push to move forward, to put in even more effort.

 

金唱片,我们拿过,也”丢”过,还有什麽好怕的。都在今天了,相信大家都知道大赏什么的都是浮云,我们最看重的已经不是什麽大赏,只是想给83line入伍前一个美好的回忆,让他们知道,不管是他们即将入伍还是将来comeback,ELF一直都在他们身边,不离不弃。

Golden Disk Award (GDA) Daesang, we had it, we “lost” it, what’s there to be afraid of anymore? Now, we all knew that whatever Daesang, are nothing but illusion. What we care the mose is not whatever Daesang anymore, we only wanted to given a beautiful memory to our 83liners, before they enlist, to let them know, whether they are going in or coming back (in the future), ELF will always be with them, will never abandon them.

 

并且请大家好好想想,当初四辑是因为三辑的成功而横空出世,如今五辑可能即将来到,我们四辑成功吗?扪心自问,我们成功了,但我们输给了权势。一直以为我们等五辑的路是漫长的,但是四辑华丽的销量却给我们带来了。有些成员要去兵役了,五辑就是开路石。看看五辑反响怎么样,才能决定未来SJ的路,该怎么走。不妨大家想想,我们本来就不是亲妈生的了,要是五辑销量惨淡,那 SJ今后在公司的路该怎么办(大家都知道他们又续约了)。为了能让他们在公司生活的舒适点,我们拼尽全力也要让五辑成功。失去奖怎么了?我们还在啊,可以刷新自己的纪录,奖还能抢回来,怕什么?ELF是最棒的,这点小挫折打垮不了我们。不是吗??

At the same time, please think about it, 4jib was released based on the good sell through of 3jib, with the possible release of 5jib, was 4jib successful? To speak the truth, we have made it, but we lose to those in power. We always thought 5jib will be a long way to come, but the grand album sales of 4jib brought us just that. The two hyungs will be enlisting soon, 5jib will be the paving stone, how well will 5jib sell? This will decide the fate of SJ’s future. Lets think about it, we were never treated as own, if 5jib sales are bad, what will become of SJ in the company? (everyone should know by now, they have re-contracted.) In order to ensure their comfort zone in the company is preserved, we have to make 5jib a success, by hook or by crook. So what if we lose the awards? We are still here, we can break our own record, we can always get them back, what’s there to be afraid of? ELF are the best, we will not be beaten by such minor setbacks, will we?

 

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先说一下预售的概念。

预售不等于实际销量,简单的说,预售是商家跟SM订的货,商家把这些订货卖出去,那才是实际的销量。

Let's talk about the concept of pre-order/pre-sales.

Pre-order/pre-sales does not equals to actual album sales. Put it in simple terms, pre-order is what the retailers have ordered from SM, only after the retailers have sold these albums out, that the sales are counted.

 

【关於实际销量的问题,很简单。】

【Regarding album sales, it is very simple.】

 

 

 

 

(1)团购应以Hanteo榜为主

  • 韩国销量三大榜的市场份额比例差距很大。从09年的数据来看,Synnara占总销量17.6%,Hottracks占10.5%,而Hanteo占71.5%。10年年底由於种种原因,Hottracks没具体数据,Synnara连出榜都没有。如今Hanteo跟Hottracks的数据已经合并了,可想而知Hanteo榜的重要性。虽然Hanteo不能显示所有销量,但它是唯一能显示即时销量,且有代表性和权威销售榜。在它盟下的唱片店团购,可以确保我们买的专辑全部都算销量,也減少被黑掉的机会。
  • Hanteo加盟店概览:Hottracks有多家分店;leesmusic提供网购;synnara据说成为了Hanteo的加盟店,有多家分店以及提供网购;其他的还有YES24,cooltrack,applemusic等。但Hanteo没有显示加盟店的名单,所以当中有些还是不肯定。能百分百确定的是Hottracks和leesmusic,所以请尽量在这两家购买!
  • 韩国音乐节目(音乐银行,人气歌谣,M!CountDown)的销量数据大部分都是根据Hanteo榜(如果音乐中心没改变,该节目是不打榜的)。记得赫宰在推特上曾经说过希望打榜有13个冠军这样的话吗?我们三辑错过了,四辑也因为竞争太大而没有成功。五辑你要13周冠军麽?Hanteo就是关键了。

(1) Bulk purchase should focus on Hanteo chart as a priority.

  • The percentage contribution of Korea’s top 3 charts are very dis-proportional. Looking from 2009 data, Synnara takes up 17.6%, Hottracks takes up 10.5%, but Hanteo contribute to 71.5%. Due to whatever reasons, there was no official data provided for Hottracks in 2010, while Synnara doesn’t even have any charts. Since Hottracks is now mergewd with Hanteo, you can imagine the importance of Hanteo. Even tough Hanteo chart does not reflect ALL of the albums sold in Korea, but it is the ONLY chart that record real time albums sales, and it is a chart that is representative with authority. Doing bulk purchase via its chain(such as HOTtracks and leesmusic), will ensure the albums we purchased are all counted, & reduce the probability of being 'swallowed'.
  • Hanteo franchise overview: Hottracks have many branches; leesmusic supports online purchase; synnara, told to have joined Hanteo's chain of stores too, has many branches and also offers online purchase; The rests are YES24, Cooltrack, applemusic etc.However, Hanteo did not reveal the list of stores under them, thus there are still many uncertainty. what is 100% sure, are Hottracks and Leesmusic, so please try as much as possible to buy from these 2 chains.
  • Those K music shows (Music Bank, InKiGaYo, M!CountDown) mostly got their album sale records from Hanteo chart (If Music Core doesn't change, this show won't have chart system). Do you remember Eunhyuk said in twitter that he wants 13 champions from the music shows? We missed them when 3jib, and failed to get them in 4jib due to great competition. If you want 13-weeked champions for 5jib, Hanteo is the only way.

 

(2)韩国销量榜只承认韩国唱片店卖的韩版专辑

  • 台版丶日版丶港版丶海外版丶盗版,还有从网络(YESASIA/DVDheaven)或批发商处购买的,都不会经过韩国唱片店的统计。
  • 如果你家附近CD店的老板跟你说他们的货计入销量,那是骗你的,因为它们都是直接用批发价向SM公司购入专辑。不能说老板骗你,只不过他不会知道何谓官方销量。有人曾亲眼目睹过卖家对於自己的货是否算销量的质疑,回答“都是算销量的。是从公司直接进的。”要记得,他们只是商人,不在乎所谓的销量。头上的保证都只不过想取得客人信任,不然怎麽做生意。

(2) Korean Album Sales chart ONLY recognize K albums sold from Korean cd shops.

  • Taiwan version, Jap version, HK version, foreign versions & pirated version, together with any album bought from websites(YESASIA/DVDheaven) or wholesalers are ALL NOT COUNTED into Korean’s album sales data.
  • If your nearby CD shop boss tells you that their volume are counted, THAT IS A LIE! This is because they all bought those albums at wholesale prices from SM company. Well, I can’t actually say that they lie to you, rather, he doesn’t even know what is official album sales records. There were witnesses whom experienced seller answering doubts about whether album sold are counted “They are all counted, since they were directly purchased from the company”. You need to remember, they are ONLY businessmen, they don’t care about your so-call album sales. Verbal commitment is only to gain the trust of customers, otherwise how else can they do business?

 

 

 

(3)一定要有含税小票

  • 所谓的小票,其实就是发票,证明这些音像制品是通过购买取得,已支付了应该付出的版权费用。那么SM公司就可以拿到版权费,SJ就可以拿到版权费的分红。
  • 但是没有小票的专辑,只是出售了,没有支付版权费用,所以价格当然会宜一些。虽然这些都是正版的专辑,都是SM公司制作发行的,但不计入销量,年底不能作为SJ的各种奖项的依据,也不能作为记录SJ成长的轨迹。
  • 事实上,绝大多数国外的批发商都选择从歌手所在公司直接以低价买进专辑。但歌手获得的专辑分红是由官方数据统计的唱片店销量来决定,公司售出的专辑并不计入其内。在低价进货後,批发商自然可以随心所欲的定价,或者以价格优势引买家,或者打着公司进货算销量的幌子,有的甚至会恶意伪造销售小票走高价路线趁机牟取暴利,而这部分不计入官方销量而获得的收入分别由谁和谁获取,也不需赘述了。
  • 若你们打算通过自己地区的团购代表购入SJ专辑,務必弄清团购来源,确保有小票。不交待清楚是Hanteo盟下哪间店铺的,都尽量避免吧

(3) You must get an official receipt with tax paid

  • The official receipt showing tax, proves that CDs are bought legally, and taxes are paid. With this, SM can claim for their copyright fees, SJ will also get their bonus on copyright fees. 
  • If what you bought does not come with such receipts, it only meant the CDs are sold, but taxes are not paid. These CDs could be cheaper. Even though they are also originals, produced & distributed by SME, they are not counted towards records, they will not be useful for SJ on winning any year-end trophies, they also will not be part of the progression SJ’s history.
  • As a matter of fact, most wholesalers in your countries choose to purchase directly from companies that artists belong to, at a lower price. But the bonus any artists collects, can only be based on sales provided by shops that are counted in the official data, those albums sold via companies are not counted. Using a lower wholesaler price to buy in the albums, retailers can then price it at the price they are comfortable with, or put a lower price to attract customers, or claiming that such direct purchase from companies are part of data, some many even forge receipts to be able to command a higher price, thereby getting a bigger profit for themselves. These profits gained, not counted as part of official records, are gained by which parties, we do not need to elaborate.
  • If you plan to buy from admins or groups that are doing bulk purchase, that they said they bought direct from Korea, please be absolutely clear about your bulk purchase’s authenticity & sources, and insist on a Korean tax receipt. If the source cannot disclose which stores are they under (for Hanteo chart), please refrain from using them.

 

 

 

(4)集中火力买A版

  • 金唱片算所有版本;首尔歌谣只算A版;Gaon排行榜是计算一个专辑的个别版本,而不是所有版本的总和。但是,不管公司出几个版本,能买的话都集中冲击A版吧。(如果C版是後续,由於是打榜必需的,一样要买。)
  • 2010年,我们A版就是差距不够大。金唱片的大赏是根据大H榜的数据来颁发的,若GAON榜上的”其他销售管道”的销量也反映在大H榜上的话,我们当时,就不会被黑掉,甚至让别人以”因为销量差距不大,所以决定把大赏颁发给另一队”的荒谬言论来打发走。還有,不要再让别人趁机以其他榜沒有公佈的数据作为藉,声称我们销量没有别的艺人多。

(4) Focus on buying Version A

  • GDA counts all versions; Seoul Music Gayo only counts version A; GAON Chart calculate the sales of individual versions of each album, and not the combine sales of all versions in one album. But, regardless of how many versions company is releasing, if you can afford, please focus on pushing up the sales of Ver A.  (If Ver C is for the 2nd comeback, since it's vital for Music Chart placement later on, we still have to boost its sales.)
  • In 2010, we were taken advantage of, simply because the leading gap of our version A is not huge enough.  GDA Daesang was given out base on Hanteo chart data. If all these sales under GAON (which are from other channels) were also reflected in Hanteo Chart, then we would not have been taken advantaged off, being brushed off as “Oh, the difference was small, so we decided to give the award to another”. Also, please do not give them have a chance to make excuse by claiming that those charts (that do not disclose sales) has higher sales data of other artists.

 

【看看我们四辑打榜的时候,mucis bank的销量统计:】

【Lets take a look at 4jib comeback, data provided by Music Bank:】

 

 

 

 

首周(5/13-5/16):A版-62270,B版-未面世(MB销量分12145)

1st week (5/13-5/16): Ver A-62270, Ver B-not released (MB data total 12145)

 

 

 

 

第二周(5/17-5/23):A版-41204,B版-28417(MB销量分10387)

2nd week (5/17-5/23): Ver A-41204, Ver B-28417 (MB data total 10387)

 

 

 

 

第三周(5/24-5/30):A版-6286,B版-11053(MB销量分5505)

3rd week (5/24-5/30):Ver A-6286,Ver B-11053(MB data total 5505)

 

第四周(5/31-6/6):A版-4603,B版-3603(MB销量分2394)

4th week (5/31-6/6):Ver A-4603,Ver B-3603(MB data total 2394)

 

第五周(6/7-6/13):A版-2811,B版-836(MB销量分1917)

5th week(6/7-6/13):Ver A-2811,Ver B-836(MB data total 1917)

 

 

大家都知道,四辑打榜是靠销量分在支撑(根据MB的打榜分數,包括音源、好感度、销量和放送,比例根据情况变)。我们MUSIC BANK拿了三周的第一,每次都是靠销量上去的。後来我们销量一下去,成绩马上往下降,连候补都进不了。

We all know that, 4jib relied heavily on album sales to get into the charts (According to MB, the scores of chart system includes digital listening, favourtism, album sales & performance). We had 3 weeks of No. 1 in Music Bank, every time, it was because of album sales. When our album sales droped, ranking in the chart droped immediately, we couldn't even get in as no 2.

 

对于冲击销量,我们有以下的建议,大家团购时和韩饭商量好团购的时间,不要一窝蜂的冲在首周或者首日去团购,因为毕竟关系到打榜,为了能让他们多拿几次一位,希望大家都分批的冲击(最好是第二周後),让销量细水长流,让他们在拿第一的次数更多!!

About boosting album sales, we have a suggestion: when we bulk order, we should coordinate with K ELFs about when to do bulk purchase. Please do not bulk purchase at the same time, within the first week or first day. As it affects chart ranking, in order to make them stay longer in the chart, we hope everyone can volume purchase by batches(It will be best if you can do the bulk purchase after the 2nd week), let our sales flow long & strong, so they can get more of No 1!

 

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主要想说的是,宁愿大家多花几块钱,真金白银买1张从韩国HANTEO盟下店铺空运过来的专辑(附加小票),那比100张不明来历的专辑强。花钱买了宜一点却毫无帮助的专辑,那不划算也没有意思,你说是吧。

My main point is, we rather spend a few more dollars, paying hard cash buying a CD directly from the chain of shops belong to Hanteo (with tax receipt), than to save these money but ended up buying a cheaper YET totally useless albums that cannot boost sales data. It is worthless & meaningless, don’t you agree?

 

我们海外饭多,一人买一张,绝对会有意想不到的效果。

We have a huge foreign ELF base, if every one of us buy an album, the result will be phenomenal.

 

如果有六辑,不知那是何年何月的事。

对於不可预知的未来,我们没有担心的馀地,只能把握现在,认真对待每一件事,尽力做到最好!

If there be a 6jib, it will not be in the near future.

About the unknown, there is no point to worry about it now, we can only treasure the present, be serious about everything, be committed to do the best!

 

一直以来,给力的只有我们。蓝家不靠宣传证明人气,不拿不属於自己的。我们靠的,是自己的努力和实力,汗水和艰辛,开拓自己的道路,一步一步踏上亚洲的舞台,甚至向世界進發。

For the longest time, we are the only ones putting in efforts. The house of sapphire blue do not rely on promotions to prove popularity, we do not take anything that does not belong to us. What we have, is from pure hard work and ability, sweat & tears, we paved the road ourselves, step by step, we move up to the stage which says: Asia, and even the whole world.

 

希望大家能团结一致。

做得好也是蓝家,搞砸了也是蓝家,抱成团一起前进的蓝家。

We hope everyone can work as a team.

If we make it, we are the family of sapphire blue.

If we screw it up, we are still the family of sapphire blue.

We are the family of sapphire blue, who will embrace & progress together.

 

五辑再见,永不变心。若爱,请深爱!

See you in 5jib, Never have a change of heart.

If you truly love, please love deeply.

 

 

P.S.我们不强求任何一个人去买五辑,我们没有权利这么做,但是我们只希望所有的ELF能给SJ一个坚固的后盾,只是为了ELF这个名,在自己的能力范围内多为他们做点事,他们这些年够苦够累够委屈了,如果连ELF都不愿付出,那他们这些的苦累委屈都白受了!还是那句话,请继续支持SJ,继续团购五辑,继续创造属于SJ和ELF的辉煌!

P.S. We are not forcing anyone to buy 5jib, we do not have the right to do so. But we sincerely hope that all ELFs can act as a solid backing for SJ, just for the name of ELF. We try to do what we can within our means, as they have suffered & are exhausted all these years. If even an ELF is not willing to give, then all their sufferings are wasted. Still the same old phrase, please continue to support SJ, continue to bulk purchase 5jib, continue to create the glory belonging to SJ and ELFs!

 

 

 

Written by 蕾蕾, Michelle Fung, Jeslyn Ho, Man Kyuu

Translated by Jeslyn Ho

Reference: 每天得瑟一点点吧&蓝瑟吧 

Photo of 4JIB's bulk purchase, CR: Monick Jaranilla

 

【GAON Chart销量数据质疑分析(关於B版的消失) Analysis on doubts followed releasing of GAON chart data(About the disappearance of Ver.B) - http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150096237798451

【5輯打榜期試聽及投票組招募 - http://www.sj13hkelf.com/bbs/viewthread.php?tid=1965 

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HannahFarhana08
#1
Thanks!
seashell
#2
hmmmm, i will be lying if i said i understand it all...but dont worry sis...<br />
"i have this feeling about 5jib and its GOOD"