important stuff: Gingerdip's mafia trope blog, Incredible Things, TPOHAST + older stories

[Warnings:  THIS BLOG IS MORE FOR MY READERS!!!!  NOT edited, written in one go, I talk too much in this blog too, I'm not here to argue or anything so if I don't respond to your comment please understand]

Hi all! I got some important stuff to address today as you might have guessed from the title. This blog will mainly be about 2 (not completely mutually exclusive) things: 1) the Mafia trope + IT and 2) my older stories. A LOT of you have been asking about my older stories, so feel free to skip and scroll (way) down for that.

 


1. The Mafia trope + IT:

First of all, thanks Gingerdip for writing this informative and actually really nice blogpost about the Mafia trope. Everyone, if you haven’t, please also read Ester’s blog!!

It reminded me how I’ve wanted to talk about this before and gave me the push to actually do it because Ester I consider you a friend so I guess coming from you I just took it more seriously?? Hehe. So yeah, this is something that has crossed my mind before and I just never actually acted on it. Idk if whoever’s reading this knows, but I have an ongoing fic that’s has to do with gangs/mobs, and though I’m not writing about the Mafia, it is still about the same organized crime world the mafia essentially is.

[This is about to get long… y’all might wanna grab some coffee]

I don’t know what people think of IT. And I’m not sure how many people are gonna read this part of the blog but to clarify – this part of the blog is sort of a response to Esters in which I’ll be talking about my stance on this whole subject, what I think of Incredible Things, and how maybe you can think of it.

I’ll try to keep it concise.

On my stance on the whole Mafia trope: with what I know and how I think of things now, I definitely think that this is not a good alternate universe to build a romance story out of because at the end of the day, these people are not good people. Period. Thanks Gingerdip for elaborating on it in your blog and I completely agree with your sentiment that the Mafia trope and romanticizing it is an issue in many ways—most notably because of how they actually are in reality. Though in a completely fiction and absurd platform like stories on AFF you might try to rationalize them as harmless guilty pleasure, I definitely will not be writing a mobster AU again.

Now as to why I wrote Incredible Things: the answer is really just because I started it in 2015 when I didn’t know any better. I didn’t even really know how problematic romanticizing certain things could be until earlier this year when I joined Twitter and my eyes were opened to a lot of things.

In 2015 I was hella uninformed and hella minor. Back then even though I knew that idea of actually being with a mobster was ridiculous, I thought well this is just fiction so I decided to just run with it. I think this is a very reasonable line of thought especially for writers on this site. My plot itself also isn’t the whole mobster-kidnaps-girl-and-eventually-falls-in-love-with her trope which is arguably a lot more questionable – my story was supposed to be more of a fun romcom instead: mobster is also a single father with a 6-year-old son à hires babysitter à unwittingly begins to fall for her.

I brought in the mobster element because I was inspired by Mobster for Rent by Huntress hehe, and also because I wanted an action element in the story. You know, boy saves girl kinda thing. In retrospect, I probably could’ve made the HOC a government/private spy org instead and achieve the same effect with it.

But now I know better. If I had started writing IT in 2021, I definitely would have done things differently.

But I’m still writing the mobster AU IT, why? Well because to be completely honest, I’m freaking invested in it, and that there are a lot of people invested in it, and because at this point I’m 90% done with it.

Mobster aside, I like my characters, I love the chemistry my leads have, and I want to continue it even after a 3.5 year hiatus because I feel like the writing itself is reflection of my growth throughout the years. It’s also a good brain exercise for me. But if you’ve read any of the recent IT A/Ns, you definitely would have seen me talk about how I can’t wait to finish this fic (and move on to new things wink wink).

Personally, I think for something that's nearly done anyway, and that something being a nearly completed fanfic I literally don't benefit a single dime from, IT is ok to finish. Also, there are several guardrails I've implemented to IT because thankfully 15 year old me had some sense to make it less morally, psychologically, and culturally incorrect.

I'm not being defensive about anything, but here are some points that help me think about IT today, and maybe it'll help any readers too:

  1. I created a completely fictional system for my crime organization in IT because from the start, I didn't want to associate Kai's mob with any existing crime syndicate. This isn't just about giving his gang a name. I created a whole fictional system with divisions, titles, roles etc because I wanted his organization to be separate from the Mafia, the Yakuza, the Triads etc. I did this because I knew I wanted to be able to bend and twist it for the better if/when I needed to.

    I think I’ve also been pretty careful in referring to the HOC as an underground network, or mob, or underground society OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT BASICALLY to help distance it from real-life monstrosities. I hope my fictional system helps to not underestimate/disrespect any trauma caused by the real mafia or any other existing crime org.
     
  2. IT readers, I’ve always tried to portray the HOC as an org that would not bite if not provoked. From the start there was already something provoking them, little trails of random attacks that are all supposed to lead/correlate with the final ‘big’ attack (a buildup I royally screwed up actually :D). Kai was never on a killing spree for the sake of it, he and the HOC have been provoked from the start so what I’m trying to do here is try to portray them as a mob with conscience as much as possible.

    Also, there is literally a pretty main character who got caught in a crossfire and was instead exiled abroad for several years and not killed. Actually this kind of happened to two. This… doesn’t happen with the real mafia…

    ALSO: if it counts for anything - all main idol characters in the HOC were BORN into this life. Kai, as the lead, is and I've definitely revealed that. 
     
  3. This whole fic is kinda jokes from the start because as mentioned, it’s about this mobster who has a son and hires a babysitter for him and ends up falling for her (LMAO 😭). Everyone who has read it definitely knows that this is NOT about the whole falling in love with your captor thing. I agree with Ester - those storylines are especially wrong. 

    Realistically impossible logistics aside, I always thought of my fic more for the cute scenes with a kid, and the cold dude turning warm trope, and not the mafia side of things. Which is why I said like if I had known better, I probably could’ve made Kai and the gang a group of spies and achieve the exact same thing lol. So for the record, I definitely was not trying to portray the cliche where the girl falls for the hot mafia boss who captures her, that sorta thing, because that never really sit right with me either.

I'm not claiming IT as an exception to the Mafia trope Ester wrote about. I'm not trying to contradict everything I wrote earlier. My point is just that in some major ways, I've really (even unknowingly) tried to make IT more morally, psychologically, culturally acceptable story. 

I wrote those 3 points out to clarify how I'm trying to think of my story, as someone who now agrees that mobster AUs are not good AUs to write a romance story around. What I want to say is that I’m doing my best to make the best out of the I started (thankfully even 2015 me had enough sense to set some safety rails that would enable me do that), and that I will be more aware and critical of the AUs I write about in the future. I think what’s more important is that now I know better, and that since starting to write again in 2021, I’m committed to writing all remaining chapters (and all upcoming pieces) with this new awareness in mind.

I'm sticking with IT because like I said above, mobster aside, that fic feels like a part of my at this point. Also, after everything, after coming back, I'm so close to finishing it. Writing all this may 'harm' my story, but I feel the need to say all this. 

Regardless, I do agree that a mobster AU is far from a good AU to write a romance story around. Like I said, IT was started in early 2015 when I was so much younger and schew pid. My views and opinions of today differ greatly from the views of AFF pre-hiatus me.

Ester, I hope me writing IT doesn’t make you uncomfortable with me or anything like that! I hope you get what I’m trying to say and where I’m coming from! And to my readers…

If you read this much for a blog, then you’re an OG neonflowers reader for sure LOL. Hi, thanks so much for sticking with me. It’s been a long time coming since 2015 and I only have about 8 chapters left for IT (thank ).

It’s completely up to you whether you want to stick around or not. Do what helps you sleep at night and please don’t feel the need to explain yourself or anything in the comments. If you decide to leave IT, naturally I’ll get sad, so just go and exit quietly please HAHAH. You don't have to defend IT anywhere. I hope my longass ramble and clarification on how I think of IT help in one way or another - in whichever direction it tips the balance of your decision.

Also, , this isn't a PR response or anything. I'm not trying to get you to agree or disagree with me. Writing this blog is already hard as it is and it would've been so much easier to just ignore this whole topic. But for my conscience, I feel like I need to talk about this. The point is I know better now and I will be proceeding with my writing with all this new awareness in mind. Please don't dwell or grill me on technicalities, and I hope you get the main idea of me writing all this. Go and read Rumour Has IT maybe? HAHA.

Ok now on to #2! 


 

#2: All my older works are currently on Draft mode or Invite Only and YES they will stay that way until I decide otherwise! (ETA included below)

Why?

Because I am no longer comfortable with the themes I wrote about in my older fics!!! *cough cough… teacher-student… people get jailed for that yo?*

Once again I was WAY too young when I started writing and reading (looking at you all you other questionable fanfics), so again, a lot of what I wrote earlier on I am no longer comfortable with. I hope you can understand this.

Other than the content, I was a ing child when I started writing so the quality of my writing is just… mortally embarrassing. I can’t even look at my old stuff without cringing, I’m telling you. I want to re-release them once I feel comfortable/confident in them again!

So now regarding my plans for these stories:

All older oneshots: These will stay drafted indefinitely, maybe up till the end of this year, until I get the chance to properly sit down, edit, and put up some disclaimers to them. If anything, I need to put up disclaimers for my conscience. I think it’s unfair for me to keep them hidden forever because that would be like me dictating your views and opinions, so yeah, feel free to read once they’re back up! If you have any requests to which ones you’d like me to bring back first, feel free to let me know in a comment or PM or wall post or something.

ALSO I’m at replying (not just on AFF trust me) but I do see everything. I don’t hate you or anything I promise!!!

For TPOHAST: man I made a little accident with this one yesterday. Basically, I was ping-ponging between drafting chapters and drafting the whole story and editing the foreword, and I don’t know what was it exactly but somehow I ended up sending an update notification.

To be clear: I WAS NOT ADDING ANY NEW CHAPTERS TO THE STORY!!! I was touching up the description & foreword a bit… And I was trying to make the story invite only.

So I ended up making it invite-only, and I thought this would be fine because I haven’t touched this story since wrapping it up in 2015 and I thought like… nobody would be reading it anymore because there are far FAR better stories out there omg??

But once I did the whole faux updating thing I immediately got a bunch of PMs, wall posts, friend requests etc no doubt all asking about it! So apparently… people are still reading. So what I’m gonna do is this:

I will be going through TPOHAST a bit and adding a few disclaimers to it to basically say that 1) This story doesn’t reflect my views today anymore blah blah and 2) I do not condone teacherxstudent relationships wtf, and 3) I’d recommend you to read something else but if you want to read anyway, please just treat this as a guilty pleasure of sorts and proceed with discretion. Enjoy and thank you for reading!

Expect TPOHAST to be back in about 2-3 weeks – if you’re friends with me you can watch out for a feed post about this.

You might find this useless but my dudes, I need to do it for my conscience. I don’t care what you think—I care what I think about me. And I really think I need to do this.

To end off, I’m not here to argue with anyone about what’s good and what’s not – this blogpost is mainly to inform. I’m not trying to dictate what you read and don’t read either, but I just need to wash my hands of stuff I no longer would read, especially when it’s my own stuff. Hence all this.

I hope you get where I’m coming from with all this! God this blog is as long as a short chapter itself but if you read till here, thanks for reading and see you around again soon!

 

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lackadaisies
#1
even though i agree that a conversation has to be made regarding problematic tropes, it is also important to understand that fictional works are fiction for a reason and the authors & readers are fully aware of the kind of work that they are engaging with through the existence of tags & trigger warnings that do not warrant a "red flag". i think this is where you should weigh your priorities when writing a new work; creating stories that are morally gray isn't bad, and it doesn't always mean that you are a bad person for condoning those things, because at the end of the day: it is fiction!

however, this perspective only works if you're an adult & fully aware of the content you are creating. as long as you check all those boxes, i wouldn't be bothered about what other people think. you are not responsible for what your readers will take away from your story (because let's face it, a lot of children are on this app, me included when i first started using AFF- i am now an adult though), because we are not their parents and we have clearly stated what kind of stuff our work contains.

honestly, what irks me more are the people who cannot seem to differentiate reality and fiction to the point that they deem morally gray fictional tropes immoral to write despite the clear implication that it is fiction. life is already hard, i know it's disgusting to have a relationship with a power imbalance (in the case of a teacher x student trope), and i know mafia is bad, etc. etc, but at the end of the day it's fiction. just because we enjoy it in a fictional world, doesn't mean we enjoy it in real life too.

have a good day, trish :)
HlaMyia
#2
I recently read a teacherxstudent ff and I was like "ewww what the heck is this??".. after sometimes, it got me into thinking how I loved to read this kind of story when I was teenager. We grew up and our point of view changed. I still read that ff because I want to release some stress but at the same time, the ff gives me points to contradict (probably gave more ewwww) the action of teacher (in the ff).

I don't understand why must you comment on something you hate???? I meant I hate boyxboy and girlxgirl stories, you don't see me comment every single of them. I just ignore it. And find something else. I hate those stories but doesn't mean I against LGBT rights as human.

You know what. Being adult is . But something doesn't change. Your style of writing still got me into reading and keep me interested.

So continue finish up with IT because it such a longgggggg time waiting for it to finish. AND I CAN'T WAIT TO SEE YOUR NEXT FF :D
kmsecret
#3
Glad to know that you're accepting the fact that everyone changes and what we liked before may not be the same right now. I totally understand. I'm sure a lot of your readers will do too. You do you! Stay real :)
aftermidnight265
#4
Wow, i have no idea that some people think about this fics in inappropriate romance. Well, this fics are a roncom, fun parts.
We’re not normalize the kind of guilty pleasure falling in love with the captor. This story yeah like you’ve said many times about a babysitter and employers hahahaha and the feeling is mutual.
And you actually wrote with morality, like there’s no such a thing as not consensual. Kai’s HOC is also not illegally selling drugs, killing people, or any dirty organization.
Well, gotta go run now but keep up your work.
lumiere28
#5
Wow Trish, I’m more surprised there are people that took this fics more seriously!! The reason I’m reading all these fanfics is just for FUN and to releasing my stress, with all s that happening in my life I really need a breather and YOUUU are the one who entertain us a reader and I want to thank you for that
I don’t even considered myself as OC or my idols as mobs or anything because it doesn’t even make sense to think about and my life already complicated enough HAHAHA
Anywaaaayyy don’t forget to invite me to all your story cause sometimes I read it when I bored and it’s fun HAHAHAHA
Keep up a good work gurl I count on you. Don’t let that NO JAM people ruined your mood fufufufu😚😚😚
LOVESCHUNJi #6
hiii~
i’m sure many of the readers that have been following you since you first started writing the stories definitely understand that the fics are fictional, and it was written at a time where issues to do with morality weren’t really a thing (except for ), not that i’m rendering these types of concerns invalid but just yea i don’t think about it i just read your stories and i defo don’t get the vibe that you’re romanticising stuff
i remember the feels i got when i read TPOHAST and constantly checking AFF for updates (and then IT), and it’s just the way you manage to develop the characters that sells it for me, and i don’t believe that a big part of what tells your story has got to do with the fact that they are based off the mafia/teacher student thing,,
i don’t really know where i’m going w this but i 1000000% support you and respect your decisions no matter what!!!!! you go girl
Nhife_2 #7
Oh God babe, that was long *whew* I was reading at a high speed lol. Anyways I always tell you; we love you and always support you

Incredible things is an art, anybody with sense will know that and love it also
Btw, what's your Twitter handle? I need to follow you
davian
#8
You are right, because we humans are so different from each other, people way of seeing things differs alot. But I am glad you took your time to explain this for this am glad. I will follow your lead
oppaarrr #9
I can totally understand why you made it invite only for perks of having y teacher. Tbh The story was one of the first that I've read in this site, and ngl the story made me fangirl on suho back then. It was good, and maybe if you're uncomfortable, you could change the background story to a university, so its not a teacher-student, but its professor, where both characters would be legal. Hope someday I could read it again.
Imjustchubby
#10
Woowwww. That’s a lot. But all’s cool with me and I love how you incorporate everything in your writing. Incredible Things is a masterpiece and everyone knows that fact. Mobster related or not, your imagination and style are superb! 💯

You’ve come a long way and we’ll still be here for you no matter what. So enjoy what you love doing and write away! 😉

So excited for the remaining chapters of IT too! And RHI, yaaas! Stay safe and fighting! ♥️
Lost_Pharaoh
#11
That blogpost of hers was blew out of proportions for me
Don't Like then do not read simply and lets not start how she said that writing is not creativity.
Shrysea
#12
When I read Gingerdip's blog I have thought of Incredible Things but in a good way because you did make Kai stated he wasn't in a good environment, you justified his role in the organization because he was born in it so trapped and unable to exist that milieu unless ending being killed. You have shown his mob action, the reader knows so that he isn't innocent, that "mobster" isn't just a cool tag on him. Some scenes might be a little too extreme like the one when he is killing half a dozen of member of another clan without a word mostly but as you said their action are staying related to the milieu for as far as I read ( 26 chapters think). The female character is slowly discovering the meaning of his job as well and confronting that new reality with the image she had of him before as a single and busy as hell single dad and not so cold man. She had a realistic reaction in my point of view when she heard finally about the truth. She took into consideration the whole person not only his status and illegal activities. She is for now awareof the dangerous side of his life and the threat his clan can be for her but she is considering him and his son ashumans as well. And it is true. Even real life Triad, Mafia, Milieu, Yakuza's members have a family, feelings, even them have a part of humanity. Nobody is born evil afterall ( except some clinical cases due to a mess up brain chemistry). I think it is important to show that side in addition to the mobster side, to display reasons of them belonging to this milieu. Because if we see and judge mobster entirely evil how come they can themselves evolve in a better way if nobody believe in their capacity to become more human? They won't seek for redemption and assume their acts if everyone is expecting them to be only monsters the rest of their life.



For summarizing I don't think IT is promoting that much mobster life style without putting some morality and moral control 😉. I will keep reading it for sure till the end.



For the drafting part. It is up to you ^^ if you don't feel comfy with your previous work and want to improve it we have nothing to say beside we will wait to read the improved version !
feebabe #13
You keep doing what you think needs to be done! I support you boo 💯