Please stop doing this

This has really been crawling under my skin for some time now... But I never said anything because honestly... I just didn't know how to say it...

Well, bluntly, here it goes:

Stop telling writers what they can and cannot post. I've heard a lot from not only my friends here, but other writers around who are scared to post their stories because they're afraid they will get attacked.

And the most common I see people get attacked for is TW stories.

Yes sure, some stories you might come across as disturbing for whatever reason, but you do understand we are all different people right? We all have different imaginations. Some people like weird, screwed up things (e.g victim falling in love with their r*pist). YES. There are people who actually enjoy reading and writing that kind of stuff. That doesn't make them a ty person, and you shouldn't report their stories just because you're uncomfortable with the idea. ESPECIALLY if you were warned. Just click away.

I even once knew this person who fantasized of being forced into s*x. Everyone called her sick, but eventually, so many people came out told her they felt the same way. Even actual victims of r*pe. And I swear on my life I am not making this up. People have different tastes. Just look on the internet it you dont believe me

Do you have to like it? Of course not! You're entitled to your beliefs and opinions, but for peets sake what good does it do to shove it down peoples throats? Not everyone is going to like that same things as you do!

Another reason is simply age.

I mean come on. Don't sit there and act like you were the perfect writer when you only started... In fact, I will admit I wrote some pretty screwed up things in the past. I just didn't understand what I was writing. I didn't care about what people thought. I just rated it and kept writing, because I liked to update my stories.

And then these same people have the nerve to complain about cliches.

There is nothing wrong with cliches.

In fact, almost everything we write about are cliches.

Take Death Note for example (since I'm sure we've all seen that anime): when it comes to the core, it is literally just as simple as a dude writing a name in a special notebook, so he can kill people.

It is the characters, the setting, the development, the literature, the emotion, the ART that makes it unique.

Being insane is another cliche.

But it's how you tell your readers about the characters insanity that makes everything interesting.

Mary sues.

Bad boys.

Why can't you just click away? No one said you had to like it.

How are you going to limit someone's imagination because they have different tastes than you, or just don't know better yet? Do you have any idea how that can impact a writer? You are literally silencing them by attacking them like that. You are not letting them express themselves.

And honestly, I think this is the reason why so many people on here experience writer's block. Because they try to be perfect for everyone. Because they're too focused on their sub count an upvotes.

END RANT.
godna24
6 years ago
Thank you for your rant I actually found some motivation to write one of TW fic again lol
counterattack
6 years ago
Preach! I wrote a Kaisoo/Baekyeol fic with noncon, character deaths & a really ty ending and got semi-attacked LOL. I mean, I am glad that people got emotional reaction from what I wrote but now I am scared to write the sequel everyone wanted. I think people wants the sequel to make everything okay again and that's just...not what's gonna happen. Bad things happen in life, everybody, I just wanna keep it real. If you don't like my dark story, don't read it but don't attack me either. Q A Q
pxmens
6 years ago
Yes please!
I mean, it never happened to me before nor to any of my friends, but I get what you mean. For me, writing stories which usually should be given trigger warnings - or according to Fiction Ratings, have to be rated MA - are where I feel the most alive at. I don't see the point in reporting a story just because you don't like the themes it involves, especially - just as you said - you've been warned ahead.
As for cliches, all kinds of plots are cliches these days. If you don't want to read a cliche-like story, I'm sorry, but this world is already full of it. You can avoid those by reading stories with good and on top of that unique character developments. But it's not every day you will find those kinds of stories.
In other words, if people don't want to read either, there's an easy way to avoid those: don't read the stories. It's as simple as that.

And yes, I will have to agree with your last paragraph. Concentrating too much on up-votes and subscribers brings a lot of pressure which leads to exactly those things you've been wanting to avoid as a writer. It's pathetic and just sad.
kimbxp
6 years ago
I'm probably the only one disagreeing with you, but I'm going to voice my opinion anyways. and forcing someone into is a crime. Writing about it is literally promoting a crime. You just can't take someone's pain and turn it into pleasure to satisfy your ual needs. Even if they are trigger warnings, just imagine the impact it'll have on the readers (mostly young teenagers) they'll associate violence with love. Even if they're trigger warnings, writing about or ion is, in my opinion, wrong. leaves the victim with trauma and thousands of girls are forced into trafficking across the world... I mean, writing about ion is okay if it's the characters job and gives his consent and is paid for it, but forcing someone is something I completely disagree with. Secondly, the characters aren't complete made off, it's based on idols and I believe there's a limit you shouldn't cross when it comes to writing about a real human being. How do you think they'll' feel knowing theirs fans turns them into a in fictional stories? I always stay away from these stories like you suggested and I'm not telling you stop writing about these kind of things, I have no right to do so, because we all see things from our own perspective of things and if you consider this okay, then it's your opinion.
kimbxp
6 years ago
I'm probably the only one disagreeing with you, but I'm going to voice my opinion anyways.

and forcing someone into is a crime. Writing about it is literally promoting a crime. You just can't take someone's pain and turn it into pleasure to satisfy your ual needs. Even if they are trigger warnings, just imagine the impact it'll have on the readers (mostly young teenagers) they'll associate violence with love. Even if they're trigger warnings, writing about or ion is, in my opinion, wrong. leaves the victim with trauma and thousands of girls are forced into trafficking across the world... I mean, writing about ion is okay if it's the characters job and gives his consent and is paid for it, but forcing someone is something I completely disagree with. Secondly, the characters aren't complete made off, it's based on idols and I believe there's a limit you shouldn't cross when it comes to writing about a real human being. How do you think they'll' feel knowing theirs fans turns them into a in fictional stories?

I always stay away from these stories like you suggested and I'm not telling you stop writing about these kind of things, I have no right to do so, because we all see things from our own perspective of things and if you consider this okay, then it's your opinion.
kimbxp
6 years ago
I'm probably the only one disagreeing with you, but I'm going to voice my opinion anyways. and forcing someone into is a crime. Writing about it is literally promoting a crime. You just can't take someone's pain and turn it into pleasure to satisfy your ual needs. Even if they are trigger warnings, just imagine the impact it'll have on the readers (mostly young teenagers) they'll associate violence with love. Even if they're trigger warnings, writing about or ion is, in my opinion, wrong. leaves the victim with trauma and thousands of girls are forced into trafficking across the world... I mean, writing about ion is okay if it's the characters job and gives his consent and is paid for it, but forcing someone is something I completely disagree with. Secondly, the characters aren't complete made off, it's based on idols and I believe there's a limit you shouldn't cross when it comes to writing about a real human being. How do you think they'll' feel knowing theirs fans turns them into a in fictional stories?

I always stay away from these stories like you suggested and I'm not telling you stop writing about these kind of things, I have no right to do so, because we all see things from our own perspective of things and if you consider this okay, then it's your opinion.
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kimbxp
6 years ago
Im probably the only one disagreeing with what you said, but I'm going to voice my opinion anyways. You can't turn someone's pain and turn it into pleasure just to satisfy your ual needs. and forcing someone is a crime. Writing about it is literally promoting a crime. Even if you put trigger warnings, just imagine the impact it'll have on the readers (who a re proThey'll associate violence with love
Nathalaia
6 years ago
PREACH.

There was another discussion about some of this earlier, where I couldn't help but voice (well, write) my opinion, because yes, there are people who enjoy such stories. I enjoy such stories, writing and reading them. If there are stories I don't like, I won't read them. It's really that simple, right? So long as there are appropriate warnings, be they trigger or not, everything should be fine.

If a reader doesn't like the way, say, an abusive relationship is portrayed as normal or whatever, for Christ's sake, just stop reading. Find another story that fits your ideas and ideals. Each to their own, man.
Hysterical23
6 years ago
I completely agree with you on this one. Let people write what they want. I read someone's blog posts and their approach to criticizing another's work is simply demoralizing. I swear one of the stories I read through a recommendation was mentioned in one of the blog posts and I couldn't fathom what the author's reaction would be if they read that offensive post. It'd be nice if they would just be polite and considerate in addressing... pm the author or something... and not cuss out the author through a blog post just because the story isn't according to their tastes which is downright cowardly and disrespectful.
[deactivated] 6 years ago
@Namlunasoo From your previous discussion, you probably already know that I agree with you. The problem lays in how these situations are described in writing. You couldn't have said it better--readers are expected to root for the couple as if being in a relationship with your abuser is an ideal situation, which is thoroughly f'cked up. Especially given the fact that very young and impressionable people are exposed to such stories.
heclgehog
6 years ago
Here's the blog I posted about this topic : https://www.asianfanfics.com/blog/view/1206526 I include the original post of this discussion in it to show how much I agreed with what has been originally stated here, I hope that's okay.
[deactivated] 6 years ago
Yes to all of this. And, please, the trigger warnings are there for a reason. If you don't like those explicit stories, you don't have to read them, you don't have to tell all this world how disgusting they are. Just as the person who likes these explicit stories doesn't have to shove them down your throat.
And it is definitely not the same to talk about some fluffy high school story than some explicit r*pe story I mean c'mon. The second one is trigger warned cause IT'S TRIGGERING and you should know which people are the ones you shouldn't talk about these stories to.
Let's just everyone do our own thing ^ᴗ^
YX__94
6 years ago
@Namlunasoo I agree with you. The difference is really small but it's incredibly important. All depends on how you describe what is happening . Something like this is also really dangerous because if after reading fanfiction you start thinking there's nothing wrong with r*aping... I mean, I don't know what the average age of readers on AFF is, but in one comment I read someone wrote they were 13. People can write whatever they want. Internet is a "country" of freedom. But when writing something like this I think is incredibly important to write a note in bright letters that says "PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS A WORK OF FANTASY, R*PING IS WRONG" or something like that.
WoodlandSparrow 6 years ago
*stands up and starts clapping*

Yes!!!!!!!!! You know, for the longest time I thought there was something REALLY wrong with me for liking what I like. I thought that maybe I DID want to hurt others and wasn't being honest with myself. How could a decent person like to imagine someone innocent being hurt?

Then I educated myself on the subject, and realized most of these fantasies are about control, and that no one had the right to tell me I was sick because of it, because I'm not harming anyone.

And I've read quite a bit of these stories, which is one of the reasons I love fanfiction, you can find Anything, because there's no filter, no editorial. I wanted to make a rec of my favorites, but you know why I don't....? Because then they'll be all in one palce for these annoying users to report. Ugh.
worldominvtion
6 years ago
Ah man, I've seen my fair share of destructive comments. Trying to help someone improve is one thing, discouraging them from writing is another.
heclgehog
6 years ago
@eatshiet for sure will do :D but there is even a user on here who made a blogpost series picking random stories they found issue with and basically scrutinized the author for having r*pe even though the story was trigger warning and so I'm going to try and find those posts and read over them and address those as well because, ugh, we just gotta discuss stuff like this eventually you know.
eatshiet 6 years ago
@heclgehog great idea! link it to me if you get the chance!
eatshiet 6 years ago
@heclgehog aw... i know if you dont bleep out certain bad words, it wont post. maybe that is the problem?
heclgehog
6 years ago
I think I'm going to post a blog regarding this issue and my reply to your post and kinda elaborating more about literature and where the lines are. I just....this day and age people get offend over some lame and people also do some wild , so I think it's good to pause and have a conversation about it every now and again.
eatshiet 6 years ago
@KimmyNurry yes i have been so annoyed with everyone complaining about other writings just because theyre not perfect -_-
eatshiet 6 years ago
@Namlunasoo no its okay. i understand your point, but thats what i was referring to about age. some people are just blunt and dont know better yet. in that case, i guess just tell them. thanks for sharing!
heclgehog
6 years ago
I keep trying to post a comment on my thoughts about this but my message keeps getting erased wtf
heclgehog
6 years ago
I even saw someone on aff (I honestly cannot remember which user) even started a blogpost series ranting about all the things they hate about aff that all have to do with the types of stories they find. But they were complaining about stuff like "omg, this story is a TRIGGER WARNING??? and it has R*PE???? this is SICKK!!!!!!" and im just like...literature does not equal reality. Literature does not equal the writer's personal beliefs and literature does not equal morals that everyone should follow. Literature is a form of art that one can use however they want. Writing is probably the most freeing for of art because all you need is a pen and paper, or a device with a word/writing program and then you are free to write whatever you want. Policing art simply because it doesn't align with your personal morals makes no sense. It's art. Yes, sometimes artists put their morals and beliefs and true thoughts into pieces and use their art as a vehicle to spread their message with others. But also a lot of art is just a method for someone to express whatever the they want.
heclgehog
6 years ago
preach
heclgehog
6 years ago
(1) Preach. I even saw someone on aff (I honestly cannot remember which user) even started a blogpost series ranting about all the things they hate about aff that all have to do with the types of stories they find. But they were complaining about stuff like "omg, this story is a TRIGGER WARNING??? and it has R*PE???? this is SICKK!!!!!!" and im just like...literature does not equal reality. Literature does not equal the writer's personal beliefs and literature does not equal morals that everyone should follow. Literature is a form of art that one can use however they want. Writing is probably the most freeing for of art because all you need is a pen and paper, or a device with a word/writing program and then you are free to write whatever you want. Policing art simply because it doesn't align with your personal morals makes no sense. It's art. Yes, sometimes artists put their morals and beliefs and true thoughts into pieces and use their art as a vehicle to spread their message with others. But also a lot of art is just a method for someone to express whatever the they want.
heclgehog
6 years ago
Preach. I even saw someone on aff (I honestly cannot remember which user) even started a blogpost series ranting about all the things they hate about aff that all have to do with the types of stories they find. But they were complaining about stuff like "omg, this story is a TRIGGER WARNING??? and it has ???? this is SICKK!!!!!!" and im just like...literature does not equal reality. Literature does not equal the writer's personal beliefs and literature does not equal morals that everyone should follow. Literature is a form of art that one can use however they want. Writing is probably the most freeing for of art because all you need is a pen and paper, or a device with a word/writing program and then you are free to write whatever you want. Policing art simply because it doesn't align with your personal morals makes no sense. It's art. Yes, sometimes artists put their morals and beliefs and true thoughts into pieces and use their art as a vehicle to spread their message with others. But also a lot of art is just a method for someone to express whatever the they want. If I wanna write a story about a dragon killing a town and then kidnapping the queen and taking her to another country and slicing off her skin and feeding it rats, I'm allowed to do so and no, it's doesn't mean that the events in the story and the characters actions in the story align with my personal morals and what I believe to be just or fair or morally correct. Sometimes art is used to display the ed up and evil in the world to be used as a way to spread what we shouldn't do. And sometimes it used to put down whatever the we feel like just because we felt like it and we don't have nay intention with it besides creating it because sometimes its just fun and stress relieving to make up some weird .
[deactivated] 6 years ago
In the end, you have the right to state your opinion and I have the right to state mine. Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
KimmyNurry
6 years ago
/PREACH/
honestly! this is whaat i've been looking for all my life in here :D
[deactivated] 6 years ago
You're right, people like what they like, and I don't have the right to police that. But I think there's a difference in the fantasies you mention and actually thinking falling in love with your r*pist is the example of a good, healthy relationship. A lot of people have r*pe fantasies, but would they really, actually, want to be in relationship where they are abused and used constantly? I don't find anything wrong with s*xual fantasies-fantasies are fantasies and everyone has them. My point is, based on the way stories are written on here, a situation where a victim falls in love with their r*pist is not simply a s*xual fantasy like you'd see on an er*tica site. They actually normalize the situation. Readers are expected to root for the couple; they're expected to view the relationship as healthy and the epitome of an ideal relationship. That is what bothers me.