tea time (4/?)

 

 

Okay, keep in mind these are my opinions. That being said, I clearly believe in my opinion if I’m posting about it.
 

I’m not sure when it became cool to hate on groups. Sure, you can dislike a song, or a certain style, but hating an entire group and saying they don’t have talent, or something along those lines? I’m just saying there’s a difference between hating people you’ve never met and disliking their work as an entertainer. There will always be differences in opinions because music is subjective, but there’s a difference between trashing a group and saying you dislike their work. I think there’s a ton of examples, but I’m just going to use the Big 3’s girl groups. People say they hate Blackpink because they’re a copy of 2ne1, but I think that’s a fault of the management and promotion, not the group. People hate Twice because of the cutesy themes and keep saying they’re untalented, but the cutesy themes aren’t under their control and I don’t think they would be as successful as they are today without their talents. On top of that, SNSD got popular with Gee, didn’t they? So Twice is following what works. People hate Red Velvet because apparently they aren’t special and they tear apart the members for their looks (or Irene’s age) or even because they’re not SNSD, and again that’s not fair because they are talented, have a growing fandom, are a separate group from their predecessors, and all the members are beautiful and people don’t need to add to the toxic beauty culture within the idol world. If you think a group is better than another, then you can express that without trashing other groups.
 

I feel like I also need to mention that individuals aren’t representative of a fandom, nor is the fandom a representation for the group. The group represents itself. You can still like a group without interacting with a fandom. The people who cause problems are the loudest, and more likely than not, they aren’t an accurate reflection of said fandom. The small minority are also not reflective of the group and ting on a fandom often turns into bandwagon hate and doesn’t really help your case because that becomes a bit hypocritical. Turning around and saying you hate a group because of some interaction you’ve had or seen makes you just as bad. And if you’re using a fandom as an excuse for why you dislike some group, then I’m a little confused as to why you’re letting other people formulate your opinion instead of creating your own.
 

Also, the unpopular opinion trend, more often than not, seems to have become an excuse to on groups rather than anything else.


I feel like this is just self-explanatory and I’m surprised I even had to say it, but the tl;dr is judge idols and groups by their own work. Also apparently no one knows that I have a twitter so shameless plug!!!111!!!

 

 

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fs1919 #1
YESSSS like if you don't like a group dont talk about them omg no one cares if you hate them bc theyre popular jfnxjxnzjpuoc
ritatheunicorn2 #2
well said c:
sooyoung2345 #3
also gASP YOU KNOW HOW TO USE TWITTER
sooyoung2345 #4
Yes!! There are toxic people in every fandom, but we can’t judge a group or the entirety of that group’s fanbase based on these few people. If we generalised a fandom because of a certain person’s actions, then every fandom is toxic!!

Also about group concepts—some may like darker concepts while others like cute, bubblegum pop ones, so we can’t get everything we want. Honestly, it’s safer for these girl groups (or guy groups too) to use the tried and tested method to at least gain mainstream popularity (and we can’t forget that while many international fans dislike cute concepts, k-fans actually dig it a lot and it’s obvious that these groups will do something that the KOREAN fanbase likes first before they can expand and try out newer concepts) and so we shouldn’t complain about it !!
ann1914 #5
Agreed, I also don't get why some people like to compare groups. Each group has their own concept, style, and set of talents so the comparison is often not fair. Judging them based on concepts - the company mostly dictates what they do so it's not even the group's fault to begin with. Experimenting with styles and seeing which works for each group can take time too (it's a money-making business). Ah, I practically saw some who were like, 'I'm not a fan of so and so because their fandom is so bad (insert other words)'. I just feel bad for the group because people often generalize their fandom and think that the fandom itself represents the group, which is a huge NO.

It's fine to not love (or join) the fandom but please love the artist/s (if you like them, of course. No one is forcing you.)!
There are tons of groups out there so like which ever you want and don't bring down the others just because you don't like them.
pandacathy #6
This is such a huge problem. There are people out there who STILL generalize an entire group/community based on the actions and behaviors of some individuals. The behavior of certain individuals DOES NOT reflect the behavior/image of the entire fandom.

This is going off of what you've written about TWICE—in general, about people thinking certain people/groups are untalented (I'm kind of branching off from what you've written). To the people who claim that Person A is "untalented" and Group B is "nothing" compared to Group C, I would tell them to be in the shoes of those who've debuted and have yet to debut and experience what they've gone through to get to where they are. It's easy for people to watch and listen to idols performing and it's even easier to bash upon them 'cause they (the viewers) are not the the ones making tiny mistakes or fumbling with lines and dance moves, but to those certain people, keep in mind what idols and trainees are doing is NOT easy. To get onto their level, it takes A LOT of training (their hours can resemble a full-time worker's or someone working graveyard shifts at the hospital), practice (there are trainees out there who have spent more time practicing in studios than being with friends and family or studying at school), and dedication (many have to move from home and learn how to be on their own at an early age). And honestly speaking, I would love to see those people live a day following the idols' work/training regimen and so on. After one day, would they still have the nerve to say that Person A/Group B is "untalented"?

I wish certain people would see that concepts are never going to stick to one group/person forever. They're going to be recycled and, inevitably, they will remind people of other groups. It takes a while for a group to make something seem "original," and in the entertainment industry, it's difficult to claim something as your own. "Copy and paste" is completely unavoidable. And yes, you are right: labels would make their groups follow things that have shown success. When you're under a label that determines who is in your group and what your group will focus on, you are not going to have control over the parts you cover, how you dress, and what your group's concept will be for each comeback. People should NEVER judge a person's talent on the concepts he/she has no control over.

People have different tastes in music and it how there are people out there who feel the need to bash on those who don't share the same views as them. Music is a universal language, so why can't people be respectful nowadays?

I just found out about Tea Time and I have to say that they're interesting reads! Blu, here is some tea for your hard work!

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nyamnyamnyam #7
Yesssss honestly this is such a ridiculous issue. It kind of ties in with your tea time on idols and uality - we don't know idols personally. Not at all. All we have to judge them by is a distorted image that's already passed through who knows how many stages of editing and tweaking and forced manipulation by companies and social standards. Idols have to be so talented and determined just to make it to debut, so calling them talentless because you don't like the concept they likely had very little control over, especially if they're rookies, is illogical. Attack the music, sure, but knowing the music and the idol's image does not equate to knowing the person. Different groups have different management as well, so comparing Group A to Group B isn't any better.

I also can't agree enough on judging fandoms by their individuals. Stupid people exist everywhere :")
imrapunzel #8
Why hate when you can appreciate? Honestly, if you really don't like them, then don't bother. There are plenty of groups and solos in kpop and western music that I'm not fan of, but I don't feel the need to verbally assault their fans or hate the group, unless there is a major problem like if the artist or group committed certain crimes or whatever.

Also, concepts are a thing. If it was successful the first time, they'll try it again. It's not just a girl group thing. You would think people in kpop would know that by now.
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