@kimchi-ramen Nah. I got bored. I'll come back to this thread when I feel like picking a fight about a fanfic online. Stay tuned.

@zanfii Go back to defending unnir ~ or maybe it's your account too and you're salty someone didn't love your toxic fan fic

@kimchi-ramen :) someone messaged me to tell me that you're not making an argument by calling people "Cheaters" either. And it was God.

@zanfii and darling oh what a naive child. i brought up this topic because of the many instants that this has happened and yes in kaisoo and baekyeol fandom that I AM IN. i don't want to read a fanfic with sm_t when I am looking at regular fanfics. your fandom's fanfic was the last straw.

@zanfii Obviously you are not reading at all and you are obviously trying to defend your fandom~ Yea obviously I am concerned zanfii darling. I am concerned because an M rated story made it onto the featured REGULAR FANFICTION list. if it was featured on the m rated fanfiction list than obviously who cares it is in their own category.

here is where it is so obvious that you are trying to defend your fandom. I argue that people abuse the featured fanfiction list by not tagging their stories as M rated even though they are. You say "ERRRR BUT EVERYONE DOES IT(((:". what a genius, because there are many criminals out there i guess crime is okay???? i am not annoyed with you anymore but i pity you. somebody even messaged me to say to ignore you and they think you are being dumb too **shrug**

@kimchi-ramen most of the exo fics that get featured literally everyday contain bullying harassment and gang-themes and I suppose those themes doesnt count as mature because they're juxtaposed with occasional fluff? again: no need to redefine "mature themes". Obviously the only problem here is that you're concerned of how a story with mature themes made it to the featured list.

@kimchi-ramen if your question is "does and ion" count as mature themes? well, duh? but thats not the "question"; you just have a problem with how fics that arent all fluff and cute rainbow puke make it to featured fics because it wasnt sorted into the mature list, and is hidden under layers.

@kimchi-ramen if your question is "does and ion" count as mature themes? well, duh? but thats not the "question"; you just have a problem with how fics that arent all fluff and cute rainbow puke make it to featured fics because it wasnt sorted into the mature list, and is hidden under layers. thats just being narrow minded. most of the exo fics that get featured literally everyday contain bullying harassment and gang-themes and I suppose those themes doesnt count as mature because they're juxtaposed with occasional fluff?

@kimchi-ramen if your question is "does and ion" count as mature themes? well, duh? but thats not the "question"; you just have a problem with how fics that arent all fluff and cute rainbow puke make it to featured fics because it wasnt sorted into the mature list, and is hidden under layers. thats just being narrow minded. most of the exo fics that get featured literally everyday contain bullying harassment and gang-themes and I suppose those themes doesnt count as mature because they're juxtaposed with occasional fluff?

@zanfii Okay than answer the question. If a fanfic that has r_pe and pro_titution is not marked M is that wrong?

If you say yes then THAT IS MY POINT and i am saying that they could be using it to cheat because why else not.
You are again not making sense and twisting the discussion. peodbear answered the topic and we got a conversation going but you are just saying you disagree and twisting my argument. you are bad at reading OR you are doing this for a bad reason (:

@kimchi-ramen Again, why is this about fandoms???? Sigh. I disagree. I read the description. I still disagree. The chapters individually are marked M for the audience who doesn't want it. I don't think the starting point of the discussion were the audience who doesn't want it: it was authors who "cheat" for viewership. And I disagree. (\●▪●/).

@zanfii BECAUSE THAT WAS NOT THE ISSUE BEING DISCUSSED OMG.. I literally disagreed with your first post since you just say no and I told you exactly the situation but you are not listening. I am asking you this: If a fanfic that has r_pe and pro_titution is not marked M is that wrong? and you are avoiding the question so what does that mean? you have an ulterior motive jumping into the discussion with 'no' without even reading the discussion properly. so yes i have a reason to suspect you are defending your fandom which is MY fandom too

*chapters are rated M.

I have no idea why there's so much effort from your side to make it seem like I'm defending a fandom when I'm clearly saying that "It's not cheating" when individual chapters at

@zanfii Errrr soo in the case where a fanfiction about pr_stitution r_pe and sl_ve trade you do not have to mark the whole thing as M rated???? SO i guess M rated means absolutely nothing right???? Your disagreement does not even make sense when you do not even understand what we are talking about here. Read the discussion again and come back to me. The first problem I bring up is that people here tag M in all the chapters but then don't put M rated on the whole fanfic which is a form of cheating the system when it comes to featuring. everybody know that m rated fanfic needs more upvotes to get featured so when you put it in regular tag obviously they will have better chance of being featured. You are ignoring all I said and acting like what I am saying is that there are only a few M rated scenes in a fluffy fanfic. Do you remember what M rated label is for? It is for some people who want to read NOT M rated things. So yes religious people, younger people, UNDERAGED people, people who have triggers and want to be extra careful. You are ignoring that people who cheat expose fanfic with triggering themes like r_pe or s_x slaves to people who have PTSD from these kind of theme. Stop trying to defend your fandom and think about it wihout being self centered.

Also: what's the point of a discussion if you aren't expecting any resistance? I'm not implying anything. I'm saying I disagree with you. It's not "Cheating". I don't think authors "Cheat" by not tagging their fics as M rated while the specific chapters are marked mature individually

@kimchi-ramen It's not cheating; because the function exists. Last time someone was throwing a tantrum bc people "exploit" the subscriber only feature and that's exactly where your argument is. I think you'd make a better argument if you would talk about karma or upvote shops; where cheating is by definition.
If the chapters are tagged M then the rules are kept. There is no cheating and no need of trying to redefine "mature themes". It's already done. And luckily for me; I don't have a problem with authors who get their work recognized regardless of their fandom. I doubt there's anything here for me to dislike other than your accusation and definiton of "Cheating".

@zanfii Errr what are you on. You implyingly say what I say is right but you say it's not cheating???? so what about all the other authors that work hard and tag their fanfic properly. Now that I check your profile you are from the same fandom as the author of that fanfic so no wonder you are so defensive. Dont be so bias. Think about if another fandom won over your fanfic because it was not tag properly. You would not like that would you darling.

@kimchi-ramen One doesn't need be to guilty to support something. What do you think authors want anyway?

@zanfii Why are you so defensive? Are you guilty of it? It is cheating when fanfics about pr_stitution, r_pe, slave trade are not tagged as mature. one of the featured fanfics had that and the author even admit that it is mature in the tags but do not use the M tag? Why would the author not use it? Give me a good reason because i can only think they want more viewership and they want to be easy featured.

@zanfii Why are you so defensive? Are you guilty of it? It is cheating when fanfics about ion, , slave trade are not tagged as mature. one of the featured fanfics had that and the author even admit that it is mature in the tags but do not use the M tag? Why would the author not use it? Give me a good reason because i can only think they want more viewership and they want to be easy featured.

@peodbear The problem comes when they cheat in the featuring. M rated fanfics need higher upvotes to be featured. Some fanfics are obviously M rated but they try to cheat by marking it as not M rated, and i don't think you would sympathize with that when it's not fair to others, right? Btw I don't think it's aff system that is the problem. Aff has done the best it can. How would you program it that it does not get into lawsuits? If you do not know why M rated is not on the front page or easy to be seen it is because they got sued. So blaming aff will not do anything

It's really another level when you call it "Cheating" lol when the chapters with mature content is marked M already :p

Lol. No.

I wouldn't go as far as to call it cheating, personally. As long as the chapters are marked accordingly and there are trigger warnings listed in the foreword (they should be present either way) I don't necessarily see a problem? I can understand the frustration of the writers whose work goes unnoticed because of the poor way this site is organized, I sympathize with them to a degree.

At the same time, there should be a clear distinction between the M and TW rating. While stories rated M can be excused out of cheating the system, TW stories shouldn't receive quite the same lenient attitude. A TW story should automatically be in the M category while a simple M one can be overlooked slipping through the cracks.

I also wouldn't compare it to tagging popular bands and not having them show up for more than half a chapter. You'll keep waiting for the said bands to appear whereas if they rate each chapter accordingly, you know exactly what awaits.

Now, M or TW rated stories who don't even have individual chapters marked for the readers is a completely different story that should not be overlooked as it is quite problematic and burdensome.

Overall, I don't think in the first example the situation is half as bad as you make it out to be. Don't most writers desire viewership? To at least have equal opportunities like the others, fluffier stories? I don't think this would be a problem to begin with if such stories would be as easily accessed as the others.

Perhaps because they think the mature tags only belong to stories. Like some people go for mature rated fics only for the , so the authors writing dark themes would think twice to mark their story as mature because (probably) there is not and people might not read it. And from my observation though, mature-rated fics seems to gain more recongition faster than the regular ones? I'm not sure.

Ofc. Although I’m not sure M-rated stories actually do get fewer views. A lot of people seem to read a lot of (the view count on -fics are usually much higher than non-) and is usually M-rated so...