Love is Never Gone: A Yunjae Analysis [Part Two]

All right, now time for some questions about moments geared specifically to Yunjae rather than just DB5K. Like most shippers, whenever a new evidence or account comes out, I giggle like a fool and scream to the world “SEE? THEY ARE REAL!” But then, I do go back and reread the account or “fact” and question it (or else I'd also have to be convinced by their other dating rumors such as the one with Go Ara and the recent one with Seo Yeji). Some accounts out there make me wonder how people got that information without directly hacking Yunho and Jaejoong's phones (which I really hope fans aren't doing) or asking Yunjae themselves, so I take them with a grain of salt unless they really did ask Jaejoong and he said something Yunjae-ish back, which has been known to happen. I also don't think every single sentence that comes out of their mouths necessarily relates back to each other. Sad but true. I'm also willing to believe that there are some coincidences in this world. Like if Jaejoong posts a picture of his shoes on Twitter and Yunho goes shoe shopping on the same day, that really may just be one of those things.

 

Some things are hard to just pass off though, and the ones that are blatantly Yunjae don't really need all that much explaining from me. If Jaejoong puts up “Five Stars” on Twitter, that's obvious. If Yunho kisses a necklace he shares with Jaejoong before going on stage, that is also fairly obvious. If a Chinese tabloid says something about Yunjae... uh, yeah, that's a tabloid. Don't take it as the truth.


 

 

 

Here are a few specific “Yunjae moments” I've thought a lot about, and the conclusions I've come to:

 

MEMORABLE KISS/DREAM KISS

I'm sure everyone knows this one, but here's a rehash of this account, sourced from JYJCYW1:

 

[HoMin on Taxi]

HOST 1 : How about Yunho? How was your first kiss?
YH : I  will talk about my most memorable kiss instead
HOST 2 : Oooh, memorable kiss
YH : My girlfriend was drunk--
CM : (butts in,
 laughing) Really intoxicated
YH : She drank a lot of alcohol
CM : (butts in again) If other people do it, it's a crime, but...
YH : She was on the street, and from that street she called me… “I am drunk, so pick me up” and then she suddenly hung up
HOST : Your girlfriend?
YH : Yes. So when I arrived, she suddenly said “Kiss me right here”
HOST : Ohh. I understand that girl, she wanted to be acknowledged
YH : But I hesitated for about a second or two
HOST : She must have not liked that
YH : Yes, so she said, “See, this is who you are. This is the wall between us, that neither of us can do anything about”
HOST 2 : Yaa, it's like a drama
YH : I was wearing a hood at that time, so I pulled it up to cover her face and I opened it up just enough and kissed her and took her home

and then:

[TOHOSHINKI IN HEY3x]

JJ : I have this dream. You know in Shibuya… where it's always just packed with people?  Sometimes I think when I have a girlfriend I want to kiss her in the middle of there.

 

There are a lot of thoughts out there on this already, so I will share one closest to the common understanding of this account (I can't find the credit, so if anyone knows, please tell me so I can properly attribute the fan who wrote this):

 

 

 

 

Okay, I agree with most of these points. A female drinking alone to that point in Korea probably wouldn't happen (though Yunho didn't specifically say that she was never drinking with friends or anyone else, just that she came out alone and wanted to be picked up). Also, the fact that Changmin is talking like he knows exactly what's going on is very suspicious. As close as he is to Yunho, he'd probably know his girlfriend if he had one, but he was not only making fun of her drinking habits here, he was also talking as if he was very familiar with them. I think Yunho would try to separate his relationship from TVXQ, so I'd be surprised if Changmin regularly went drinking with Yunho and his girlfriend. Besides, we all know about Jaejoong's drinking habits. Yunho has had to pick him up in the past before, so that part would come as no surprise.

 

The part that has always given me pause is that the fact that fans think Yunho didn't want to kiss “her” in public and she said there there was a wall between them means it's not a girl. Hearing this account without using my Yunjae brain, I would think that Yunho didn't want to kiss her in public because he's an idol. People could see. The wall between them is that he's and idol and she might be a regular girl, and he can't be with her in public. Even if it was a heteroual situation, he would still hesitate to kiss her on the street for that reason, I think.

 

On the other hand, his account says he was wearing a hood. I don't get the exact descriptive language after it went through translation, but my assumption was that he was wearing his hood pulled up so no one would recognize him, and then he further pulled the hood forward to cover “her” face when they kissed. That's what really makes me wonder. If he's hidden by the hood and no one would assume just by glancing at him that he was idol Jung Yunho, why would he make a point to cover her face? The fandom would be more distressed about him being caught kissing than some random drunk girl doing the same thing, so why not just kiss her with the hood covering his own face if there's nothing further to hide? Or, if it was late and there was absolutely no one on the street at all, why not just go ahead for the male-female kiss out in the open? Based on his words alone, I don't think we can say “Oh, he would never worry about kissing if it was girl” or “A girl would never say that a wall exists between them,” but all the same, there are enough moments in this story to make it a convincing speculation for Yunjae shippers. I mean, who else thinks that the words “Kiss me right here” and “See, this is who you are. This is the wall between us, that neither of us can do anything about” sound really, really like drunk Jaejoong?

 

Changmin is what makes me really suspicious. HE KNOWS. I mean, he's reverted back to his Yoomin days of snickering at the Yunjae. As the analysis I posted pointed out, Yunho said he took his girlfriend home, which you would assume to mean her own apartment. And yet clearly we have Changmin acting like a know-it-all and sounding like he knew how drunk this person was because he saw it in person, not just because he heard Yunho telling the story, which would indicate that Changmin was at the home he took her to. This would mean: 1) Changmin be creepin at Yunho's girlfriend's house 2) Yunho has a love nest with his girlfriend and Changmin be creepin on that, too 3) Yunho lives on his own, took his girlfriend back, Changmin was there, and they babysat her together 4) This happened back in the day when all the members were still together and Yunho brought his girlfriend back, and they all babysat her together 5) The girlfriend is Jaejoong, and Yunho took him back to the house or dorm. Changmin was there and sniggered at Jae's drunk .

 

 

He knows, but he ain't tellin. Like a true Voldemin.

 

 

I actually think number one, two, or four would be hilarious, but number five is still my fave.

 

COUPLE ACCESSORIES

These evidences are both my favorite and least favorite. I squeal whenever I see a piece of Cartier on Jaejoong, and squeal all over again when I see it on Yunho. The boys would have to have the exact same taste in (very expensive) jewelry (that people in Korea just don't pick up on a whim like t-shirts or bead bracelets) or the exact same stylists to share so many pieces at the same time. Which means Yunjae ships Yunjae or their stylists ship Yunjae-- either way, Yunjae is being well-acknowledged.

 

 

Yes, please continue to gaze lovingly at your Cartier, Yunho. Perfectly normal.

 

 

But on the same hand, I'm sure all of you have seen something like this: “EXO and A Pink member spotted with same bracelet-- they must be dating!!!!” or my personal favorite, this clothing comparison between iKON's B.I and GOT7's Yugyeom. Unless it's clearly humorous like Hanbiyeom (your brand new ship, I hope), this can really get very annoying for several reasons. 1) Korean idols and their labels have deals with fashion companies, meaning that it's difficult to tell couple items from pieces that two idols are both wearing because their companies provided it 2) Just like in real life, it's possible for two people to purchase the same piece of clothing and have it not mean anything 3) Some pieces of clothing are generic, and it's a given that multiple idols would have similar versions of the same thing 4) Some items are current fashion trends in Korea-- you'll see a gazillion idols with BOY hats, Commes des down (forever laughing at that name), or those black-and-white hip-hop outfits all the boy groups are wearing. Couple items? Not necessarily!

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm willing to grant that there's a possibility that several of Yunho and Jaejoong's fashion choices fall under those categories, excepting their very obvious Cartier ring collection since to my knowledge, labels don't go around buying rings in the couple set for their idols (unless the fairy gaymothers at SM from Part 1 offer that service). In fact, a lot of Yunjae evidences are just of them wearing clothes that are similar and not the same, or else pieces of clothing that are reminiscent of something one of them wore back in their DB5K days. I would dismiss most of those. If Yunho is wearing a shirt this year and the comparison picture is of Jaejoong during the O era, either Jaejoong hung onto that shirt for a long, long time, or it's a coincidence.

 

I do think it is a little too suspicious that two guys who used to be closerthanthis but are currently separated from each other have a magically coordinated wardrobe, which has in the past included them both wearing limited edition shoes that were given only to Yunho, as well as a hat that later showed up on top of a random stuffed King Kong in Jaejoong's house-- oh, and did I mention that they both have shirts with a big ape on the front, and Yunho says King Kong represents protecting someone he loves? STILL, that doesn't really mean they're a couple, I guess. I mean, give B.I and Yugyeom a few more years, and they may very well rack up more random couple wear without meaning to.


 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, Jae, but fans know there were only one pair of these shoes in Korea

 

 

 

 

Another suspicious aspect of Yunjae's couple stuff? There's a good chance some of it isn't just two of the same product, but the exact same article of clothing. Looking at the picture below, the suit jacket seems to fit Yunho a little better, and is a wee bit loose on Jae through the arms. Fans even reported seeing shirts Yunho had recently worn in Jae's closet during his house tour, but I don't have the same eagle eyes as some Cassies, so you can come to your own opinion on that.

 

 

 

 

My main point of suspicion over Yunjae's couple items are once again the rings and Cartier jewelry. It was weird that they had the same rings when they were both in DBSK, frankly, since their Cartier collection was designed for lovers (secret lovers, in one case), and none of the other members had them. The fact that they continue to buy out Cartier on a regular basis-- the exact same pieces-- is just plain suspicious. They aren't in the same group anymore. Some people are even convinced they don't talk. So how the hell do they time after time end up with couple rings? Telepathy? Does Jaejoong run out and buy whatever he sees Yunho wearing in a deliberate attempt to keep Yunjae afloat for his OT5 fans? Doubtful. I'll only believe this is coincidence if B.I and Yugyeom end up at least forty-five more pieces of the same clothing. And if that happens, I'm going start shipping Hanbiyeom, so be warned.


 

He has both, though. BOTH!



 

 

JAEJOONG AND YUNHO'S NAME

I'm only going to touch on this briefly, because a part of me really wishes fans wouldn't scream out Yunho's name to Jaejoong at his events. No, this is not because I think he hates it like a lot of other people do. The giggling-and-whacking-his-head-on-a-table incident lives on in memory. I just think it's something fans shouldn't do unless it's a JJ only event, or a JYJ concert. When it's a press conference or similar event, I don't feel like we should be doing that to JJ in front of his co-workers or at times he needs to give legitimate answer to press. Remember Yunjae Petch back in the DB5K days? Those web masters would not leak Yunjae's information around because they wanted to protect their relationship, knowing it was taboo.There is a time and a place for Yunjae, and that time is when Jae is free to fanboy over it, not when he's promoting a movie with other people.

 

 

 

But do I think hearing Yunho's name crushes his spirit, makes him want to burst into tears, or reminds him of someone who ruined his life by not sticking with the members who filed? No, I don't. I don't think they want to erase their memories as if they didn't exist, you know? And I think his smiles when fans yell out “Yunho” at a convenient time for him are real. We should just be better at finding those times and not badgering him. Or maybe just using lightboards is good enough, since he seeks those out like a gaydar, anyways.


 

If you are Yunjae shippers, he will find you and he will ship with you

 

 

YOOCHUN AND YUNJAE: COUPLE TALK

 

 

 

 

 

I've always wondered why more fans don't really discuss this particular Yunjae moment, though I suppose it's because they're more concerned about what was going on in Yunjae lovey-dovey land during the second round of couple talks. Were they fighting over the 85 club like fan rumors suggest? Or did SM tell them to tone it down now that Yunjae rumors were sounding more legitmate? Whatever the case was, the spilling-over-with-joy aura from the first couple talk was toned down, and that most likely worried the fans more than anything.

 

 

Clearly, though, there were tensions about how kind Yunho is towards his friends, which is borderline legendary if you've listened to accounts from Yunho's pal Hojoon. As seen in the video, Jaejoong expressed jealousy over how Yunho treats his friends better than he treats him, and he brings up the subject again in his talk with Junsu, where he points out that he goes out with Junsu the most because Yunho is busy with plans with his other friends. I also thought it was interesting how Yunho didn't make much of an effort to address Jaejoong's concerns in the couple talk-- he seemed to brush it off and try to appease him by saying he would pay for a meal later with the kind of attitude that said "Let's not talk about this here". If it was a private issue between them like fans suggest, then that reaction would make sense. It's not the sort of thing they should be resolving in an open discussion meant for fans.

 

However, President Yoochun makes things very interesting by bringing the subject up again in his couple talk with Yunho during which he says someone who gets together with Yunho should understand that he has a lot of people around him, and they shouldn't be anxious or expect more things from him because of it. This is of note for several reasons: 1) It ties perfectly back into what Jaejoong had been complaining about 2) No other member made a point of bringing it up 3) It doesn't really describe an "ideal type" like the question asks, and though he says an ideal girl for Yunho would understand his situation, it seems more pointed to a specific situation 4) YUNHO'S REACTION

 

 

Thanks for having his back, bro

 

 

And that reaction? Yunho didn't have all that much to say about the other members' concepts of his ideal girl. But when Yoochun discsses his theory, Yunho sighs about the person being a burden by constantly worrying about his friendships. And then when Yoochun finishes, he CLAPS. Like, "Thank you, Yoochun, this is exactly what I've been trying to tell a certain someone, but no~~~~~~"

 

Was Yoochun giving a direct lecture to Jae? I think so. Whether they were fighting about it on that particular day or no, we know that the 85 club was a specific issue for Jae, since he got Yunho to take him at one point to get rid of his anxieies about it. And if Yoochun was aware that it was an issue, it makes sense he would address it specifically. I mean, if someone close to Yunho wasn't whining about his friends, wouldn't Yoochun have just given the same "Yunho needs someone to control him" as everyone else? Plus, the fact that our President has shipped Yunjae before makes it click. Out of everyone, he gave the most pointed couple advice to a member, other than this gem from Jaejoong:

 

 

 

Prepared for Jaejoong's slaps

 

Bonus:

 

 

Who else thinks Jaejoong wasn't freaking out because he was worried about Yoochun picking the same ideal type as everyone else? It was totally because of how he phrased things :p

 

 

 

 

 

 

JUNSU AND YUNJAE

 

 

I don't really think I need to analyze this one because, um, Junsu pretty much took care of that for us. For a little more background: DBSK was at a show, and during the broadcast, the camera shifted to a video clip. Thinking they weren't being filmed, Yunjae apparently started holding hands under the table, but in fact, the cameras still had the group featured on a part of the screen. Junsu became aware of this, bumped Jaejoong to let him know to stop and thus revealing to the entire world that Yunjae were holding hands under the table, even though we couldn't see their hands in the first place. Thanks, SuSu!

 

Is there anyone who really doubts the Yunjae-ness of this? Assuming there is, let's imagine that Jae was having a rough day, and Yunho was bolstering him with some comforting skinship. But Yunjae and Yoosu do skinship like it's their jobs, so why would Junsu care if Yunjae wanted to indulge a little? After failing to calm down shippers in the most counterproductive way (Dangerous Love), SM never really tried to throw any other wrenches into Yunjae. I'm sure they wouldn't care if there was some innocent, on camera skinship, considering that idols do it all the time and there's barely a DBSK clip in existence where someone isn't touching a member on the legs. But Junsu is different. He usually pretends like he has no idea what's going on, but I really think he knew just as well as everyone, but wanted to protect the secret rather than exploit it for SM. Who was the one who told Yunho to stop picking Jaejoong as the member he wanted to marry? Who was the one who told fans not to imagine when Jaejoong said Yunho was “getting into ideas with him”? Who was the one who eukyangkyang-ed so loudly that fans wouldn't be able to hear what Yunho was saying to Jaejoong before they informed him he'd called in the middle of an airing of Young Street radio?

 

"Remember that time I accidentally exposed Yunjae, chunnie?"

 

 

I assume he bumped Jaejoong because he didn't want fans to know what they were doing for that reason. Would he do that for regular skinship, though? I've seen so many DBSK videos where members are snuggling in the background, and you don't see Junsu telling them to stop to prevent rumors. That certainly never stopped him from creating Yoosu moments for the camera. Why does he watchdog only for Yunjae? Sure, more fans were convinced of its realness than the other ships, but Yunjae could have combated that by sticking to the SM-style shipping I mentioned in my first post. Say, for example, that Eunhae started holding hands in the same manner and one of the SuJu members noticed. Knowing them, they would be like “OMG, Eunhyuk and Donghae started holding hands when the camera changed, they're so weird!” and Donghae would say something about liking skinship and Eunhyuk would be like “But why are you always touching only me?” and it would turn into a laugh festival. What Junsu did just made everything ten times more suspicious.

 

I honestly think that while Yoochun was an obvious fanboy, Junsu actually wanted to protect them by making sure it stayed a secret, not just because people thought it was real, but because there was already too much out there that indicated that it was. He was hella incompetent though, no offense! But still, thanks for giving us the most Yunjae moment other than the creation of “Nine.”

 

And then, of course, following Yunho mentioning the no-contact issue with JYJ and the resulting tweet from Jaejoong that I mentioned earlier, Junsu finally did give in and hop on the ship. At least that's the only way I can interpret his words. Let's look at them one more time:

 

[First tweet] "Everyone… and again, always… there are times when simple words can become a knife… that causes hurt..these words always come back.. try to think about it.. who’s the person who regret most and hurt.. look at that place deep in your heart, a love so big is hidden..some people open their hearts but..some put on a high wall.." 


 [Second tweet] "If you close the door to your heart..Is your heart lighter?..it’s just a wound…just things that have passed. We cannot know now, everything is over and done with..whether it’s joy or sorrow..the end could not be known..that’s life..I waited for this moment when I always call out your name..seems like my fervent heart reached the heavens.." 


 [Third tweet] "Now it’s your turn..open your heart to him..for your sake"

 

 

It's really pointed, isn't it? Yunho said he couldn't reach out to anyone from JYJ, but Junsu responded only on Jaejoong's behalf, pointing out that JJ suffered the most from hearing that Yunho hadn't read any of his messages. And then, of course, the words “a love so big is hidden”. Could be the love he had for all the members and for the old DB5K. But I really think everything Junsu said was for JJ, because he wanted JJ to stop hurting. It's kind of heartbreaking, isn't it? I'm sure Yoochun and Junsu missed Yunho and Changmin just as much, but he was putting JJ's pain first. As many fans have pointed out, it was also clear that Junsu's tweet was directed to Yunho instead of HoMin, since Yunho admitted to reading Junsu's tweets on his computer at the same conference where he said JYJ hadn't contacted them, while Changmin didn't.

 

 

Well, that's all I have for now, and I hope I gave you something new to chew on :p Always keep the faith, guys!  

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nwh-gem
#1
yeah, #aktf i bet you were so thrilled during that gff2015 huh authornim?
musicluverxoxo
#2
I'm so happy they interacted during the ground force festival and they hugged and talked to each other .
musicluverxoxo
#3
Omg thank you for posting this and when I was watching taxi I was like is yunho talking about jaejoong and why is changmin smirking like that and how does he know how drunk the girl was . I still believe in yunjae and I have a lot of yunjae shipper friends that tell me things .
yunjae2024
#4
I feel cleansed after reading this.

Just for a but of humor, what if Hanbiyeom is real? No seriously, so many couples I thought were fake and a gross delusion has turned out to be real (only heteros). I would die laughing if they were real.

I was thinking as I read this, why would these secret couples wear couple item and all of these things, bringing attention to them and make their relationship appear so obvious if they wanted it to keep a secret,? It was me trying to be critical and not let my fangirl self win over when I stopped and realized....maybe k-celebrity couples that have been outed as dating had these little moments too. It was as if they just couldn't contain their feelings and just wanted to share it with the world. They wanted to let their love be free and be publicized even IF they were the only two that knew (and their closed ones of course). It was a...cute realization.

I feel as if they're begging for the world to know they're together. To acknowledge their love and admire it. I am talking about k-celeb couples that have been founded out and had 'love-stagrams." I think it is so freaking heart-breaking breathtakingly beautiful.

I want to protect them all. I just want to give them all of my support and know that I would do anything for them to actualized their love. And, I am once again left to wonder if my obsession with wanting them to be together is healthy?

At least I know if they ended up not being together, or never having been together an got married to women, I would encourage them and cheer them on.

I refused to leave Kpop until yunjae gets answered. Are they real or not? Were they ever real or nah? I need answers!!!
yunjae2024
#5
The first time I read TVXQ's interview about the most memorable kiss, I curled into a ball of feels and now I want to cry. It hurts knowing that the possibility of such a love must be hidden and crushed bc of societies desires to keep things as it always has been. I want them to be free; to love each other in freedom.

Junsu's tweet makes me want to get a twitter. It was so nice of him. Even reading this a second time still makes my heart hurt.

Speculation (as if this is not what it all is): I feel, due to how closed YC and JJ are, YC just ended up supporting JJ like a normal human being (like ALL of us should, you know homophobes , always be creepin' and destroying it for the rest).

Ooh yeah, this brings me to another part of the blog I had a good laugh at: "1) Changmin be creepin at Yunho's girlfriend's house 2) Yunho has a love nest with his girlfriend and Changmin be creepin on that, too."

This blog makes me sad (could be bc I am still listening to Jun's Gone) and happy at the same time.

Thank you.

Please keep on making such good blogs. I need to remember my love for Yj once every while before I give up due to outside pressure that tells me I am delusional, and my logical side that tells me I am crazy and should stop shipping people together that has a high probability of never having been together.
yunjae2024
#6
I was not expecting this: "Prepared for Jaejoong's slaps"
I died laughing!
yunjae2024
#7
Nice analysis.
Gongyoosbae
#8
best post i ever read on asianfanfics!! i do believe yunjae was real at one point, but this post sums everything up!!!!
Blurr_moments
#9
thank you for igniting back my yunjae flame. thank you so much. sometime you have doubt abt yunje but after reading this i no longer have doubt
ririsasy
#10
Homin taxi talk though. I salute you Jung yunho for being so bold ! I would like to hear more about your "girl" in the future
DivinaKim #11
Where do I read part1 . I can't seem to find it :)
DivinaKim #12
Nice analysis!! Yunjae holding hands under the table make me to become believer. It's so hard not to ship yunjae :D
thrrrr #13
Just reread this. I think it's so heartwarming for a devoted Christian like Junsu to be so incredibly supportive of his Hyung, what more so publicly. I love how YooSuMin were so protective of YunJae respectively when they first broke off. You could tell how broken Jae was during the first few years and YooSu doing everything to make it bearable for Jae to be in front of fans without Yunho & Changmin there. To some extend I always though that they banned Yunjae items for awhile because it was hard for Jae to see them.
ancho10rhythm
#14
i could careless about the lawsuit, it's heartbreaking and the wound is still there but if their love is big enough to forgive, they will get their happiness in the future :)
i still hanging into their "invisible" love though ;)
thank you for your awesome post <3
akane_kim
#15
Holy .. i was actually holding my breath reading the last paragraph.. Thanks for the analysis, even though I haven't read the first part. Somehow knowing someone out there is subjectively viewing this matter on YunJae makes me breath easier, figuratively said. Because the people I know in a YunJae group I participate in somehow just blindly ship them and just squealed over anything that is said from Jaejoong's mouth. Maybe some words that JJ said indicates something, but you still have to take the words with a grain of salt.. Fiuh..

Thank you very much for this! ♥